thanks for that.  i was put off no name brand stuff after my experience with a toolline table saw from mtire 10.  the instructions were pathetic, the images looked like they were faxed a few times using a 1980s fax machine, and it kept referring to figures that werent there.  "See figure 5, 6".  but they only had 1-4 then it jumped to 8.  never having used a table saw before, I took it back and got the mikita instead.  a lot easier to put together.  the slide out fence on the mikita isnt the best, the dewalt would have been better (another $400 though) and the riving knife has a bend in it at the top which will make jigs and tenons etc a pita.  im going to order a second riving knife off ebay and just cut it down a bit and switch them out when I need to use a cross cut jig or something.

the toolshed router table was pretty good, I got $50 off the price as it was a floor model (also saved me from putting it together :)).   it was cheaper to buy that router table than it was to buy a new router and get a lift for it, or buy a router that could be adjusted from underneath.  the triton one could be adjusted but thats like $600 from carbatec and then I would still have to build the table (or cut out a hole in my work bench...).  the fence on the toolshed router table isnt the best though...