Netflix introduces password sharing household controls

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#3037026 15-Feb-2023 13:23

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BlakJak: Unless you have a different external IP address for your IoT devices and/or you prevent your IoT network from accessing the Internet, this is unlikely to be an issue as your home IP address will be a key piece of data used to determine your location.

There is a different external IP address. There is also a different IP subnet range, different IP Geolocation, different DNS and all. It is a fully different network in every way apart from being broadcast from the same access points. Same with my Guest network. The crap policies do not work at all in my situation unless if I put all streaming devices onto the same network which, I won't ever do. Geolocation also won't with some clients such as the Tesla as I am not launching the page at home at all regardless nor do I want to micromanage something I shouldn't have to.

The policies do not work for everyone. Rumor has it though that Tesla has been whitelisted by Netflix but I'll have to see it before I'll believe it.

Good call, i'd suggest however your case is not the norm... most people in the residential (or SME) world will aggregate their internet on one real-world IP address even if they segregate internally by VLAN and security domain.

Your case is exactly the reason I reckon Netflix are making a mess of this, however. And whilst Tesla and Netflix may have an agreement to 'whitelist' I can imagine any other similar scenario - perhaps with a different brand of car! - will also cause a mess.

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#3037030 15-Feb-2023 13:25

Oblivian:

We use information such as IP addresses, device IDs, and account activity to determine whether a device signed into your account is connected to your primary location.

We do not collect GPS data to try to determine the precise physical location of your devices.We use the IP address from the Netflix device or app to assume its general location (such as city, state/province, and postal code).

If they start trying to get that granular on New Zealand locations it'll be laughable.

But I fall back to the idea of additional metadata coming into play - like your device internal IP address, IP range, device name, default gateway address, connected SSID, etc etc. You could make some fair assumptions if you put all that together - for many but not all cases. Also assuming your general location is not the same thing as then using this 'general location' in a cocked-up way to figure out if there's multiple households at play.

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#3037072 15-Feb-2023 15:00

Currently in East Tamaki on a client's network. Geolocation services put me at -36.886700, 174.769000, the centre of Melville Park in Epsom.

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#3037094 15-Feb-2023 15:51

That's a better result than me going to a mates 12k.away and it registering a login from nelson.

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#3037098 15-Feb-2023 16:00

Grr just set the primary location on my Samsung TV, it thinks I'm in Panmure, not Pukekohe.

Then went to login to my ShieldTV and it wants to set the primary location again.

So I turned it off. Not in the mood for that.

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#3037101 15-Feb-2023 16:17

As they try and introduce this new system into new small regions, they will assess the impact of these changes to usability. Initially, people querying might be told tough luck, but I suspect some fine-tuning will end up occurring.

I think it's somewhat unlikely they would have hit some of these issues in their other beta regions perhaps.

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#3037105 15-Feb-2023 16:25

Oblivian: Everyone might want to hold fire until you get the email and it's implemented..

It does state you can still use it at air BnB etc and a temporary location with a form of authentication notification. Hotels and motels have to work this way also.

Watch while you travel: Members can still easily watch Netflix on their personal devices or log into a new TV, like at a hotel or holiday rental

They've added device management. i expect there to be a flag for short term use associated with an approval of device.

Do it too much, and it's another way they catch you out

This might work. We'd be authorising the same alternate location every week. If we can authorise once per month or similar that would be manageable. If I have to authorise something, or forward an authentication code or similar to the other half every-time she fires up Netflix in Welly, then it's not going to work.

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#3037157 15-Feb-2023 16:55

Paul1977:

I think you overestimate the technical ability of the average consumer, most would not find it easy to set this up.

Maybe, maybe not.

For instance large numbers of (say) young people who want to keep using their parent's Netflix while they are at University will have the technical aptitude. Plus Netflix has hundreds of millions of subscribers, and if only a few percent of them are irritated than that's millions. A few of them will have the technical skills. Which means that I suspect that step-by-step instructions for those with lower skills will appear in blog posts and youtube videos within a comparatively short space of time.

For example, few people have the skill to break encryption and master the arcana of video encoding. But back in the early 2010s when I built my first (DLNA-based) media server, there were plenty of videos walking people how to rip their DVDs (I'm suddenly nostalgic for DVD Decryptor 😃) and compress them (e.g., using Handbrake). Even someone with very low technical skills could follow those, and suddenly pretty much everyone who wanted to could do it.

At any rate, at a purely academic level, it will be interesting to see how this ultimately plays out.

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#3037160 15-Feb-2023 17:07

MikeAqua:

This might work.

They have been very light with the details on how the "out of residence" authorisation for travellers actually works...

Which is pretty sus in my book as its the big issue legit users will have ...

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#3037161 15-Feb-2023 17:26

JimmyH:

Paul1977:

I think you overestimate the technical ability of the average consumer, most would not find it easy to set this up.

Maybe, maybe not.

For instance large numbers of (say) young people who want to keep using their parent's Netflix while they are at University will have the technical aptitude. Plus Netflix has hundreds of millions of subscribers, and if only a few percent of them are irritated than that's millions. A few of them will have the technical skills. Which means that I suspect that step-by-step instructions for those with lower skills will appear in blog posts and youtube videos within a comparatively short space of time.

For example, few people have the skill to break encryption and master the arcana of video encoding. But back in the early 2010s when I built my first (DLNA-based) media server, there were plenty of videos walking people how to rip their DVDs (I'm suddenly nostalgic for DVD Decryptor 😃) and compress them (e.g., using Handbrake). Even someone with very low technical skills could follow those, and suddenly pretty much everyone who wanted to could do it.

At any rate, at a purely academic level, it will be interesting to see how this ultimately plays out.

I think it's really easy for users of Geekzone (a geek forum!) assume a much higher level of competence amongst the genpop and then judge accordingly. I see it on this forum all the time. So I'll take maybe, over maybe not, by a long shot.

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#3037451 16-Feb-2023 09:20

Last night my location moved from Otara to Weymouth, so still in South Auckland but still not close to Rotorua. Interested to see where it goes next. This is my device that uses a IPv4 address, the ones that use an IPv6 address are still in Gisborne.

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#3037471 16-Feb-2023 10:33

vexxxboy:

Last night my location moved from Otara to Weymouth, so still in South Auckland but still not close to Rotorua. Interested to see where it goes next. This is my device that uses a IPv4 address, the ones that use an IPv6 address are still in Gisborne.

I'm starting to feel like a broken record. Put NO stock in the geolocation of IP addresses beyond country level.

Just because the interfaces let us see this, does not mean Netflix intends to use this as their determination for a users actual location.
Literally, it gets rendered as the stock output of most geolocation services (and in some parts of the world, mostly the United States, it's probably pretty accurate)

I'm beginning to wish they wouldn't show this data, because people keep fixating on it.
The only way it's likely to be relevant within New Zealand is if you have a static IP address for your service. Dynamic IP's will appear to roam all the time as they get served up to different customers and Geolocation doesn't change as often as your client-side internet address does!.

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#3037932 16-Feb-2023 21:14

Got the email, went to set address and it was nowhere near where we live, it asked me to confirm this was my private address so I cancelled Netflix instead. That and paying for 4 streams to get 4K on 1 tv is a nonsense, my 2c

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#3037967 16-Feb-2023 22:47

Kiwiuk: Got the email, went to set address and it was nowhere near where we live, it asked me to confirm this was my private address so I cancelled Netflix instead. That and paying for 4 streams to get 4K on 1 tv is a nonsense, my 2c

I don't understand. You're sulking over their pricing model and the fact that they want you to confirm their address?

Streaming 4K costs them more. Why shouldn't they charge more?

Do you think there's a linear relationship between stream counts and pricing? There won't be, cross-subsidies and assuming you won't see all identities used all of the time accounts for some of the pricing model.

Fine to vote with your feet of course, good on you for doing the one thing that matters.
I myself only pay for Netflix Standard, which in my family of four and with only two TVs rated to 1080p, is more than adequate.
Debating killing off Netflix but still have content I'm watching on it, and my whole family watch it, so the standard price is fair enough... Just.

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#3037969 16-Feb-2023 22:53

BlakJak:
Kiwiuk: Got the email, went to set address and it was nowhere near where we live, it asked me to confirm this was my private address so I cancelled Netflix instead. That and paying for 4 streams to get 4K on 1 tv is a nonsense, my 2c

I don't understand. You're sulking over their pricing model and the fact that they want you to confirm their address?

I think the fact they could not correctly identify their address was just the last straw. And fair enough to them too. Its their money.

Netflix seem to think I am in Papamoa. A week or two ago they seemed to think I was in Palmerston North. I am in Auckland.

And its too easy to say "ignore GeoIP because its not accurate here" (I know that), the problem is Netflix appear to be relying on it since they are showing it under your account.

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