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#1520621 28-Mar-2016 00:12

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Here is a hypothetical question - if you were using Netflix US before and had access to a show you like eg, CSI NY - and the next day find you do not have access due to their proxy limitations, why is it wrong to pirate it given you are still paying netflix the money you did yesterday for the content they still offer US consumers.

Damn good question!

I guess this might highlight the fact that paying NetFlix NZ for the US content isn't ethical?

But then if my NetFlix account is a US one anyway?

Copywrite laws are stupidly complex and yet simple at the same time.
If "THEY" say it's ok then it is, but not if "THEY" say not??
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#1520626 28-Mar-2016 00:52

Yabanize:

Does anyone still have it working with Chromecast without needing DNS redirection on a router? (Router doesn't have it)

@yabanize no, you need the DNS hack. Refer to the private forums for more information.

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#1520633 28-Mar-2016 01:38

PhantomNVD:
charliebrownnz:

Here is a hypothetical question - if you were using Netflix US before and had access to a show you like eg, CSI NY - and the next day find you do not have access due to their proxy limitations, why is it wrong to pirate it given you are still paying netflix the money you did yesterday for the content they still offer US consumers.

Damn good question!

I guess this might highlight the fact that paying NetFlix NZ for the US content isn't ethical?

But then if my NetFlix account is a US one anyway?

Copywrite laws are stupidly complex and yet simple at the same time.
If "THEY" say it's ok then it is, but not if "THEY" say not??
😂

But is paying more than people that are in the USA for digital content ethical - especially when there is no distribution or replication costs in doing so?

The only argument that I've come across where this could be valid is in low income countries get discounted digital media or software due to huge income disparities - but we are in the reverse situation where people in a country that earns 1/3 less than the US has to pay 2-3 times more for less content because our local companies have paid to introduce these virtual borders.

Exclusive rights to content is ultimately the thing that we need to try and remove. That way our content service providers can get to providing a service to consumers rather than raising barriers in front of them.

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#1520636 28-Mar-2016 03:08

michaelmurfy:

Yabanize:

Does anyone still have it working with Chromecast without needing DNS redirection on a router? (Router doesn't have it)

@yabanize no, you need the DNS hack. Refer to the private forums for more information.

How does one access the private forum(s)?

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#1520650 28-Mar-2016 09:06

rlevis:
michaelmurfy:

Yabanize:

Does anyone still have it working with Chromecast without needing DNS redirection on a router? (Router doesn't have it)

@yabanize no, you need the DNS hack. Refer to the private forums for more information.

How does one access the private forum(s)?

I'd be very interested to know this too - any advice?

I don't want no sugar in it - thank you very much

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#1520670 28-Mar-2016 09:55

DickDastardly:

Well seeing as Unotelly didn't work for me (and by all accounts its having its own proxy error message issues) Ill give Getflix a couple more weeks to see if they can come up with a solution, if not then ill look at perhaps cancelling Getflix.....not sure ill keep Netflix either as NZ content on its own is rubbish....decisions....!

I use Getflix , and any suggestions to help usually show up on twitter quite promptly

I did what was suggested and changed my region to US Test from within my account and have had no problems recently with Getflixs service .

I guess it may depend on what platform you use to view Netflix .

I use Amazon Fire Tv's to view Netflix , etc

Amazon Echo

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Magic TV 3600
Sony EX700

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Amazon Fire TV x 2 = Netflix USA + Amazon Prime
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#1520672 28-Mar-2016 10:06

rlevis: How does one access the private forum(s)?

Read here.

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#1520673 28-Mar-2016 10:27

Ok, so this is interesting.

I used Netflix and selected "USA Test" and picked The Office US version which is only on the US Netflix.

It worked. Perhaps Getflix have perfected a workaround for the US market.

Where i struggled originally yesterday and what prompted me to write yesterday, I wanted to watch the new Avengers movie, age of ultron. Only available to view in Australia, Canada and the Netherlands. It was choosing these regions that my viewing experience failed...

Perhaps Getflix and others need other country workarounds like they have done with the USA?

I don't want no sugar in it - thank you very much

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#1520722 28-Mar-2016 12:16

Interesting Wired article - go have a read...

The VPN squeeze comes now that those same people can access Netflix legitimately, though often with significantly smaller libraries than they’d had before. Not surprisingly, this has created a serious backlash, though it’s not clear if it’s had any material impact on actual subscriber numbers. Netflix doesn’t break those out by region and hasn’t updated its international and US figures since January.

“I think this may very well result in a couple of thousand subscribers shifting their money onto local services, but I don’t think VPN users was ever a major issue for Netflix,” says Ovum analyst Tony Gunnarsson. “I suspect the number of VPN users has been massively overblown in the media.”

Hastings, meanwhile, sees the VPN enforcement as an inevitable byproduct of going global. “Think of it as the maturation of all of Internet TV, as respecting those boundaries. We have the obligation to respect the rights that we buy,” he says. “It’s a simple fairness thing. If someone else is paying for the rights in Germany, we should respect it, just as we would want it in return.”

Since removing access to someone’s VPN makes their libraries smaller, the way to win those customers back is fairly straightforward: Offer more content, in more regions, to begin with.

That’s harder to accomplish than it sounds. Netflix has to compete with companies all over the world for the right to stream content. Those licenses can cover individual countries, or regions, or the entire globe, and can vary in duration. That’s why the Netflix catalog varies from place to place; it’s not uncommon for Netflix to win a bid a show in one country, but lose in another.

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#1520730 28-Mar-2016 12:52

freitasm:

Interesting Wired article - go have a read...

The VPN squeeze comes now that those same people can access Netflix legitimately, though often with significantly smaller libraries than they’d had before. Not surprisingly, this has created a serious backlash, though it’s not clear if it’s had any material impact on actual subscriber numbers. Netflix doesn’t break those out by region and hasn’t updated its international and US figures since January.

“I think this may very well result in a couple of thousand subscribers shifting their money onto local services, but I don’t think VPN users was ever a major issue for Netflix,” says Ovum analyst Tony Gunnarsson. “I suspect the number of VPN users has been massively overblown in the media.”

Hastings, meanwhile, sees the VPN enforcement as an inevitable byproduct of going global. “Think of it as the maturation of all of Internet TV, as respecting those boundaries. We have the obligation to respect the rights that we buy,” he says. “It’s a simple fairness thing. If someone else is paying for the rights in Germany, we should respect it, just as we would want it in return.”

Since removing access to someone’s VPN makes their libraries smaller, the way to win those customers back is fairly straightforward: Offer more content, in more regions, to begin with.

That’s harder to accomplish than it sounds. Netflix has to compete with companies all over the world for the right to stream content. Those licenses can cover individual countries, or regions, or the entire globe, and can vary in duration. That’s why the Netflix catalog varies from place to place; it’s not uncommon for Netflix to win a bid a show in one country, but lose in another.

I'm surprised to see the comment that people will move to local subscribers. Judging from what I've read, people are making do with smaller catalogues and getting the difference via "other" means. It maybe that in NZ we are aware that the local companies are trying to rip us off due to the high profile global mode litigation. And the article doesn't have one mention of piracy, which given the whole topic is very relevant and it must be a given that rates of piracy will increase.

I don't know what the impact would be but why is no-one suggesting that we legislate to remove exclusivity on content - an extension of competition law? Given the nature of the internet and NZ's small market and purchasing power - it kind of seems like it would benefit the consumer and would allow our local companies to actually offer a legitimate competiting value-add service. Sky could bundle their sports broadcasting with content packages which would be an appealing alternative to netflix for some.

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#1520739 28-Mar-2016 13:15

charliebrownnz:

freitasm:

Interesting Wired article - go have a read...

The VPN squeeze comes now that those same people can access Netflix legitimately, though often with significantly smaller libraries than they’d had before. Not surprisingly, this has created a serious backlash, though it’s not clear if it’s had any material impact on actual subscriber numbers. Netflix doesn’t break those out by region and hasn’t updated its international and US figures since January.

“I think this may very well result in a couple of thousand subscribers shifting their money onto local services, but I don’t think VPN users was ever a major issue for Netflix,” says Ovum analyst Tony Gunnarsson. “I suspect the number of VPN users has been massively overblown in the media.”

Hastings, meanwhile, sees the VPN enforcement as an inevitable byproduct of going global. “Think of it as the maturation of all of Internet TV, as respecting those boundaries. We have the obligation to respect the rights that we buy,” he says. “It’s a simple fairness thing. If someone else is paying for the rights in Germany, we should respect it, just as we would want it in return.”

Since removing access to someone’s VPN makes their libraries smaller, the way to win those customers back is fairly straightforward: Offer more content, in more regions, to begin with.

That’s harder to accomplish than it sounds. Netflix has to compete with companies all over the world for the right to stream content. Those licenses can cover individual countries, or regions, or the entire globe, and can vary in duration. That’s why the Netflix catalog varies from place to place; it’s not uncommon for Netflix to win a bid a show in one country, but lose in another.

I'm surprised to see the comment that people will move to local subscribers. Judging from what I've read, people are making do with smaller catalogues and getting the difference via "other" means. It maybe that in NZ we are aware that the local companies are trying to rip us off due to the high profile global mode litigation. And the article doesn't have one mention of piracy, which given the whole topic is very relevant and it must be a given that rates of piracy will increase.

I don't know what the impact would be but why is no-one suggesting that we legislate to remove exclusivity on content - an extension of competition law? Given the nature of the internet and NZ's small market and purchasing power - it kind of seems like it would benefit the consumer and would allow our local companies to actually offer a legitimate competiting value-add service. Sky could bundle their sports broadcasting with content packages which would be an appealing alternative to netflix for some.

Yeah, my plan is to sign up Amazon Uk if I can no longer access US Netlfix. I tried the NZ catalogue last week and it was pretty poor. Local providers like Lightbox have poor content, Neon is not to my taste. I'm happy to pay someone who can deliver reasonable programming without it being interrupted every 7 minutes with advertising. This would be a good time for Lightbox to pump up its content, but it's no better than it was when I trialled it a year ago.

Isn't the EU planning to make geo blocking illegal?

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#1520764 28-Mar-2016 15:13

Has anybody tried this?

Im unsure if it works or not. Site could also be a scam, not sure.

Not sure if it would still be applicable or not either.

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#1520772 28-Mar-2016 15:32

That's just a brand of a service called Blockless. The domain name and URL has Netflix and I would guess is mainly for search engine optimisation.

If it works or not, only if someone else tried we would know.

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#1520777 28-Mar-2016 15:43

Nah netflix picked it as proxy using usa, and they're not cheap either

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#1520839 28-Mar-2016 18:34

DickDastardly:

Ok, so this is interesting.

I used Netflix and selected "USA Test" and picked The Office US version which is only on the US Netflix.

It worked. Perhaps Getflix have perfected a workaround for the US market.

Where i struggled originally yesterday and what prompted me to write yesterday, I wanted to watch the new Avengers movie, age of ultron. Only available to view in Australia, Canada and the Netherlands. It was choosing these regions that my viewing experience failed...

Perhaps Getflix and others need other country workarounds like they have done with the USA?

Still working this evening?

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