2019 Novel Coronavirus Covid-19 Discussion

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#2435112 9-Mar-2020 15:58

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wellygary:

Some potentially good news from Korea,

"with 686 new cases detected on Monday, 600 on Tuesday, 516 on Wednesday and 438 on Thursday. Friday's new cases rose slightly to 518.

Aside from Daegu and neighboring North Gyeongsang Province, the number of daily new virus infections in other parts of the country had remained in the 30s over the past few days, the data showed."

"The country's health authorities have checked some 160,000 people since Jan. 20, when South Korea reported its first case of COVID-19. The country is currently testing 9,000 to 10,000 people a day"

https://en.yna.co.kr/view/AEN20200305010900320

Great news. I read that Canada is or will be testing 10,000 a day, the US is in the hundreds. I can see that ending badly.

US only have tested 40 something from the 3,000 on that quarantined ship. Approx. half are confirmed cases....I wonder what will happen next...

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#2435114 9-Mar-2020 16:03

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US only have tested 40 something from the 3,000 on that quarantined ship. Approx. half are confirmed cases....I wonder what will happen next...

They are offloading them to the airbases that they send the Diamond princess evacuees to for 14 days of observation and testing,

Probably the best worst option, as the Diamond Princess has shown that containment on a ship is simply not possible...

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#2435133 9-Mar-2020 16:13

Worried about a toilet paper shortage?

One, be thankful we don't have PM like Aussie Scott Morrison freaking out the nation, and causing a toilet paper brawl.

and two, here's you chance to try a bidet. I don't have one, but I've always wanted a hi-tech Japanese style tiolet.

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#2435136 9-Mar-2020 16:16

Yay bidet. Who needs paper?

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#2435138 9-Mar-2020 16:20

kingdragonfly: Worried about a toilet paper shortage?

One, be thankful we don't have PM like Aussie Scott Morrison freaking out the nation, and causing a toilet paper brawl.

and two, here's you chance to try a bidet. I don't have one, but I've always wanted a hi-tech Japanese style tiolet.

Bidets ranges in price from $10 to $10,000

https://www.trademe.co.nz/Browse/SearchResults.aspx?searchString=bidet

Don't know about you, but that little stream aint gonna cut it with mine or the kids payloads lol......

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#2435142 9-Mar-2020 16:25

kingdragonfly: Worried about a toilet paper shortage?

One, be thankful we don't have PM like Aussie Scott Morrison freaking out the nation, and causing a toilet paper brawl.

and two, here's you chance to try a bidet. I don't have one, but I've always wanted a hi-tech Japanese style tiolet.

Bidets ranges in price from $10 to $10,000

https://www.trademe.co.nz/Browse/SearchResults.aspx?searchString=bidet

Scomo has something to do with it?

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#2435145 9-Mar-2020 16:28

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FineWine:

And then this lovely article for all you Gym Bunnies: Gyms and coronavirus: What are the risks?

Can't read it, have to subscribe so can't be that important a health message.

Off to gym I go, just making sure wipe equipment down, and wash hands well when finished.

Living Life normally at moment, just washing hands lot more often and trying to keep fit.

Basically yes plus stay home if you are even the least unwell. Also some people are bringing there own wipes as some gyms may not have the correct ingredients or concentrations in their spray bottles.

AS to the first article in that post: Coronavirus: Failures on the Diamond Princess shadow another cruise ship outbreak

that also is a Premium article but here is another source link: https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/08/world/asia/coronavirus-cruise-ship.html

Whilst the difficult we can do immediately, the impossible takes a bit longer. However, miracles you will have to wait for.

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#2435148 9-Mar-2020 16:38

You cant just turn HDU and Coronary Care Units into Intensive care units because the key thing ICU can do is ventilate patients.

Respiratory support in hdu and ccu involved non ventilatory support which are specifically excluded in care of Corvid patients as they actively spread virus particles.

The metric to think about is the number operating theatres as if you cancelled all elective surgery, the theatres can be turned into icu beds as have all gas supplies, power supplies and use the anaesthetic machines as ventilators.

How can you force private hospitals to hand over their operating theatres and gear to make icu beds...

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#2435150 9-Mar-2020 16:47

An NZ expert is saying a community outbreak is now likely in NZ https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/health/coronavirus/120117404/coronavirus-community-outbreak-a-matter-of-time-expert-says . This is despite the Ministry of health saying it is unlikely, likewise the same expert saying an outbreak was unlikely just a few weeks ago https://www.newstalkzb.co.nz/on-air/mike-hosking-breakfast/audio/siouxsie-wiles-on-why-we-are-unlikely-to-see-a-coronavirus-outbreak-in-new-zealand/ . I wonder what has changed, maybe what is going on in Europe and Italy?

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#2435191 9-Mar-2020 16:50

Batman:
kingdragonfly: Worried about a toilet paper shortage?

One, be thankful we don't have PM like Aussie Scott Morrison freaking out the nation, and causing a toilet paper brawl

Scomo has something to do with it?

As opposed to most world leaders, trying to calm the public, Aussie Scott Morrison had declared the virus a global pandemic before the WHO.

I have a low opinion of, well, nearly all Australian politicians. If I was being cynical I'd say he's almost happy the virus distracted the public from his miserable performance, in particular climate change and the fire hellscape that is Australia.

Maybe declaring alert level brown is the correct move. But I'd say it's more "even a broken clock is right twice a day" than any advice he got from experts.

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#2435192 9-Mar-2020 16:51

mattwnz:

Now a NZ expert is saying a community outbreak is now likely in NZ https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/health/coronavirus/120117404/coronavirus-community-outbreak-a-matter-of-time-expert-says . This is despite the Ministry of health saying it is unlikely. I wish there weren't so many conflicting expert opinions.

"experts" love to get noticed. The next they deny they are acting irresponsibly then fade away when they are wrong but never apologise for their actions.

Here is a crazy notion, lets give peace a chance.

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#2435218 9-Mar-2020 16:59

Two of the three latest cases detected in Australia are returnees from trips to the USA.

They might have been infected on the flights, or they might have been infected in the US. I'm leaning towards them being infected in the US, the onset of symptoms (day after and a couple of days after) is probably too short for infection on the plane. I'd add the USA to the list of places where the number of confirmed cases are probably the tip of an iceberg - not helped by the administration's lack of testing and failure to secure testing kits from WHO when they realised that their CDC had failed to make reliable kits.

Trump had better hope that tomorrow brings better news, US stock index futures trading has hit the rocks (5% limits kicked in) and currently bouncing around just off the bottom. Any minute I'd expect a barrage of creative "good news" to emanate from the administration - even if the boss is currently snoring in his gold-plated bed after a hard day golfing. I assume he's been golfing and now asleep - he hasn't been abusing anyone on Twitter for 12 hours.

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#2435219 9-Mar-2020 17:01

afe66: You cant just turn HDU and Coronary Care Units into Intensive care units because the key thing ICU can do is ventilate patients.

Respiratory support in hdu and ccu involved non ventilatory support which are specifically excluded in care of Corvid patients as they actively spread virus particles.

The metric to think about is the number operating theatres as if you cancelled all elective surgery, the theatres can be turned into icu beds as have all gas supplies, power supplies and use the anaesthetic machines as ventilators.

How can you force private hospitals to hand over their operating theatres and gear to make icu beds...

That's interesting. Good to know. I saw a couple of studies that seemed to say at least some HDU beds in NZ were ventilated and could double as ICU beds.
Can't find them now but here's an older study that mentions it.

I'm intrigued by the idea of forcing private hospitals to open up ICU beds and theatres.
Surely they'd be flat out with their own (paying) patients?

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#2435222 9-Mar-2020 17:14

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Trump had better hope that tomorrow brings better news, US stock index futures trading has hit the rocks (5% limits kicked in) and currently bouncing around just off the bottom. Any minute I'd expect a barrage of creative "good news" to emanate from the administration - even if the boss is currently snoring in his gold-plated bed after a hard day golfing. I assume he's been golfing and now asleep - he hasn't been abusing anyone on Twitter for 12 hours.

I doubt anyone has confidence that Trump can deal with this.
He's been a useful clown with his tax breaks for the rich, and letting the markets regulate themselves, but now leadership is needed, nope.

The unprecedented visible, real-time spread of this virus is undoubtedly going to have an economic impact … it's already happening - that’s going to be felt across the world.

The potential economic outcomes of this will be partly what's influencing NZ's quarantine and travel policies - that are causing so much discussion here.
There's a reason they're not immediately 'shutting the borders' there's a huge risk to the economy if thy get it wrong.

The immediate impact on tourism, the energy sector and more delayed impacts on the "supply chain” of any business that was integrated with Chinese producers or consumers is likely just the beginning. I reckon there's a risk this'll tip large parts of the world into recession.

If virus spreads in other countries as it's done in Italy - and it's likely to - especially in the US, another interest cut there is likely. Trump seems to harp on about the Fed lowering interest rates as a panacea for everything..
Other parts of the world will try to follow suit - but the whole world economy's quite brittle. In Europe and Japan, monetary policy is virtually out of out of options.

Most real rate cuts have already happened - via the declines in bond and note yields which is what equities and most other assets are priced from - and more effective policy steps than blanket rate cuts will have to be taken - to provide entities facing cash crunches with liquidity. No one wants a run on the banks..
In Europe, it'll be a big ask for stimulating policies to take hold in the current political environment.
Italy's, Spain's and other economies are already under stress - this won't be at all good for them unless it's somehow stopped in it's tracks.

Despite central banks cutting rates, easier monetary policy and increased liquidity won't lead to an immediate material pickup in buying and economic activity, though it'll possibly bump risky asset prices. The current climate of fear isn't conducive to anyone rushing out and spending - on anything.
It's quite likely things will get worse before they get better, maybe several quarters - 3-6 months based on the effects of the most recent epidemics.

The 97% of us that survive this will still want to have jobs (and in stressed European economies, pensions, healthcare, housing). I hope they (world governments) can manage that.
Not trying to be the Prophet of Doom here - but it's something the Government's probably keeping in mind.

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#2435223 9-Mar-2020 17:16

Fred99:

Trump had better hope that tomorrow brings better news, US stock index futures trading has hit the rocks (5% limits kicked in) and currently bouncing around just off the bottom. Any minute I'd expect a barrage of creative "good news" to emanate from the administration - even if the boss is currently snoring in his gold-plated bed after a hard day golfing. I assume he's been golfing and now asleep - he hasn't been abusing anyone on Twitter for 12 hours.

This is all being driven by Oil falling out of bed on the spat between Russia and Saudi,

both Brent and WTI are currently down 30% on the day, (on top of the 10% on Friday) - European trading will be fun to watch tonight....

In the long term lower oil prices are supportive of the global economy, but you don't want to fall like this... It seriously scares the horses...

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