2019 Novel Coronavirus Covid-19 Discussion

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#2641598 25-Jan-2021 12:17

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If the 'negative test before flight' works we should see some kind of drop off in MIQ positives.

That was the idea when qatar, emirates and singapore all had no neg = no fly or no transit

But it didn't seem to.

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#2641603 25-Jan-2021 12:24

Buster:

If the 'negative test before flight' works we should see some kind of drop off in MIQ positives.

It doesn't. Its a help, but you have 72 hours to get exposed in nations where its rife.

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#2641611 25-Jan-2021 12:36

tdgeek:

Buster:

If the 'negative test before flight' works we should see some kind of drop off in MIQ positives.

It doesn't. Its a help, but you have 72 hours to get exposed in nations where its rife.

I don't think anyone expects it to be a fix all, but it would be interesting to know the numbers being turned away at the airport or passengers simply not showing up for their flight due to a positive test result. It's still worth doing this year (foreseeable future) until widespread vaccination has taken place and there are more answers than questions.

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#2641656 25-Jan-2021 12:42

Buster:

I don't think anyone expects it to be a fix all, but it would be interesting to know the numbers being turned away at the airport or passengers simply not showing up for their flight due to a positive test result. It's still worth doing this year (foreseeable future) until widespread vaccination has taken place and there are more answers than questions.

Going by a story the other day. It isn't a case of 'show us or you can't board'

But 'welcome to NZ, your certificate please... none? Oh dear. Heres a fine'

Vs 'see ya, back you go' or not even getting on

https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/434664/customs-warns-traveller-over-lack-of-covid-19-test

From 29 January, fines of up to $1000 can be issued for arriving

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#2641664 25-Jan-2021 13:05

How are they going to work the "Vaccination Proof" at customs & immigration at both ends of the travel ??

Those with ePassport's (biometric passport's) could they not electronically program the passports ?

Those without ePassport's, a tamper proof visa type sticker ?

Both certified by the International Civil Aviation Organization under the auspices of the United Nations which I believe set the protocols for this sort of biometric ID technology.

Of course you would have to have a fraudulent proof way of verifying that vaccination certificate. Those with national ID's or national health ID's it might be easier and that the record keeping is correct and non fraudulent but those countries with a laissez-faire attitude will be more difficult, perhaps a travel ban list. Diplomatic passport holders can also be iffy especially when it comes to state sponsored mischief.

Either way, we, as usual, are just going to have to rely on the good auspices of 8 billion people. (yes I do include the 40 million Anti-vaxxers Americans)

Whilst the difficult we can do immediately, the impossible takes a bit longer. However, miracles you will have to wait for.

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#2641667 25-Jan-2021 13:22

From the live briefing currently on

"Hipkins said they are looking at whether returnee movement should be restricted towards the end of their stay, after they've had their final test and before they're released."

Yes, but the timing does not make sense. To achieve the apparent intended goal would need to be restricted from 3 - 5 days before the final test.

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#2641668 25-Jan-2021 13:22

Oblivian:

Going by a story the other day. It isn't a case of 'show us or you can't board'

But 'welcome to NZ, your certificate please... none? Oh dear. Heres a fine'

Vs 'see ya, back you go' or not even getting on

https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/434664/customs-warns-traveller-over-lack-of-covid-19-test

From 29 January, fines of up to $1000 can be issued for arriving

Given a test can cost $350 in the USA (USD250 seems to be the going rate), there is a risk that a $1000 fine may not be sufficient to get everybody tested. For somebody who has been waiting months for viable flights, and MIQ bookings to become available, plus paying big $$ for the flights, it may be tempting to skip the test to eliminate the risk of the result stopping their ability to get home.

At a highly unethical level, there is a risk a person with no symptoms & a positive test may choose to conceal their test result, in order to get into NZ where our treatment is free and hospitals are not overloaded.

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#2641671 25-Jan-2021 13:27

And "There were 162 push notifications sent through the app."

From ~30 locations?

Wonder what time window is used. Needs to be from the time the infected person first arrived to several hours later?

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#2641674 25-Jan-2021 13:32

DS248:

And "There were 162 push notifications sent through the app."

From ~30 locations?

Wonder what time window is used. Needs to be from the time the infected person first arrived to several hours later?

Pretty rubbish really. And likely to be a large portion of the people who hadn't been / avoiding that are the same ones now queued, and complaining being queued for 3hrs for a test.

That's the intention I believe. Look at persons scan-in time. Send one out to all after that. And then narrow down when they were there/left to see if there was over-lap. I take it that a subsequent scan will provide more of a 'closure' or end time of first location.

Bit of a bugger that it's come back as not historic as hoped.

Guess it takes a while for CCTV fastforward to see if it was defo local..

Or needs a few more bodies thrown at it.

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#2641675 25-Jan-2021 13:35

GV27:
Ge0rge:

Show me a Military Airbase in a "remote location" in New Zealand. I'll save you the trouble - there isn't one.

Reminds me of an old saying:
The Navy navigate by the stars,
The Army sleep under the stars,
The Airforce choose their hotels by the stars...

I think most people think Ohakea counts as remote - but it's also a fully functional military base, and just whacking something that has to be able to operate as a hospital if things get out of hand is going to be a fairly big operation.

Palmy North is 30 mins away from Ohakea. No need to tag on a hospital, just have a COVID ward there. It’s been done elsewhere successfully.

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#2641677 25-Jan-2021 13:39

they are saying since she has no respiratory symptoms, and the fact that her husband tested negative, it seems would be hard to catch it from her. so we may be lucky again.

Common sense is not as common as you think.

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#2641705 25-Jan-2021 15:04

Anyone else now waiting for the next 'expert says...' article from Dr Baker slamming the findings.

(to be quickly followed up by a 'we did awesome' next week)

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#2641707 25-Jan-2021 15:09

Geektastic:
Could have built a proper medical quarantine centre at a military airbase by now.

No they couldn't

If the government had shown extraordinary strategic vision, they might have started planning this in April last year. They would have been crucified by the Opposition, b.t.w., and I doubt NZ First would have been too supportive, so maybe it would have been politically too hard. Let's assume not

If the process started in April 2020, I think that by now they probably would have applied for the necessary Resource Consents, but probably not gained them. They would have spent a vast amount on planning and design, but certainly would not have let the construction contracts yet.

Why not?
Because they're planning to build a whole new town with a population of up to 7,000 (that's about the theoretical capacity of MIQ a.t.m.).
Where could it be: realistically only Whenuapai or Ohakea have space and a runway. How do you think Auckland's water authority would react to the prospect of having to supply potable water and take sewage away from an unplanned-for 'new town' at Whenuapai? I think they would just say "It can't be done"
I know that Defence would have to build a whole new waste disposal plant at Ohakea, and I suspect they would also have to build a potable water treatment plant as well.
These are big projects, and there's no way they could be started and finished in nine or ten months - I reckon two years would be 'don't worry about the cost' breakneck speed.

Sorry, no they couldn't have built a new quarantine centre by now

{Edit: speeling}

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#2641709 25-Jan-2021 15:24

Oblivian:

Anyone else now waiting for the next 'expert says...' article from Dr Baker slamming the findings.

(to be quickly followed up by a 'we did awesome' next week)

Sure it isn't an accident.

But we have a lot to owe to Dr Baker for our current situation in NZ, and being largely covid free, in terms of fronting the media and saying what needs doing. The government has done much of what he has suggested in the most part, but tend to be slow moving.

I bet some of those businesses affected by this latest case wish that scanning had been mandatory, so they know exactly who has visited.

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#2641711 25-Jan-2021 15:27

vexxxboy:

they are saying since she has no respiratory symptoms, and the fact that her husband tested negative, it seems would be hard to catch it from her. so we may be lucky again.

That is assuming that the test is a false negative. Hopefully you are right though. But IMO our luck is eventually going to run out, and hopefully when it does most people will be vaccinated.

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