Yeah don't think I would trust Russian vaccines. Opps better recall those 5 million we put novichok in them accidently. 

freitasm:

 

Or perhaps there were no big outbreaks exactly because we had the lockdown? 

 

Maybe not as maybe he never gave it to anyone else.

But my point is how many times can Auckland go into level 3 lockdowns. And if they keep putting Auckland into level 3 and the media keeps on scaremongering and nothing happens will people just zone out? Dare I say it the 'boy who cried wolf' syndrome may happen. It is human nature.

Yay another clear day as we were level 3 , giving much less opportunity for further spread !
Soon we enjoy level 2 and then down to level 1.

https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/437788/covid-19-update-no-new-community-cases-in-new-zealand-ahead-of-alert-level-changes

""
In a statement, the Ministry of Health said there were nine cases in managed isolation.

All of the new imported cases arrived in New Zealand on Thursday, with one coming from the USA via Qatar and the other eight coming from India via the UAE.
""

MIQ seems to be getting another flush of cases.
Test and fly seems to be quite ineffective , I understand its required for UAE transit and Emirates at least ?
It can filter some true, but where there is high prevalence a lot of too early to detect get through it seems. 

How many times do you do a level 3 or 2 ? well...
There was a lot of pressure to do 'smart' short level 3, and but for tiny % of population it would have worked.  
So could have been 1 less level 3.

This current level 3 with lesson above and large spread of contacts, MIT, Gym, was longer.
Though not the ideal 2 cycles, we rely on high level of trust despite some contacts. 
Maybe some difficulties authorities are not highlighting, thus 'reading the health act' etc.

I think we are trying to be flexible and minimize damage, but hit a problem with very small % of population.

Glass half full would say we are in good shape, 'now'.
Hopefully this time, ready as we roll into autumn, winter before we get significant level of vaccination.

freitasm:

 

@Jas777:

 

 

 

Why not? Since going into lockdown there have been no community cases, Going into lockdown at the drop of hat is starting to wear thin. How many more times do you think can do lockdowns with no big outbreaks before no one takes any notice? 

 

I hope I am wrong but I can see at least another 2 lockdowns for Auckland this year.

 

 

Or perhaps there were no big outbreaks exactly because we had the lockdown? 

 

Exactly. If they hadn't done the lockdown, then it highly likely would have spread more. Then Auckland could have been in a lockdown for months  WE only have to look at Melbourne  when you can't contain an outbreak and then having to go into lockdown for months. They came of the the lockdown previously too early before they had fully ring fenced it, so had no choice to do what they did.

Many of these radio people are shock-jocks, so say stuff to get a reaction. 

mattwnz:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Exactly. If they hadn't done the lockdown, then it highly likely would have spread more. Then Auckland could have been in a lockdown for months  WE only have to look at Melbourne  when you can't contain an outbreak and then having to go into lockdown for months. They came of the the lockdown previously too early before they had fully ring fenced it, so had no choice to do what they did.

 

Many of these radio people are shock-jocks, so say stuff to get a reaction. 

 

not sure about that considering he went to the gym out of lockdown and it never spread.

Jas777:

 

Why not? Since going into lockdown there have been no community cases, Going into lockdown at the drop of hat is starting to wear thin. How many more times do you think can do lockdowns with no big outbreaks before no one takes any notice? 

 

I hope I am wrong but I can see at least another 2 lockdowns for Auckland this year.

 

I haven't been aware of that, that there are no community cases. As I see it, there have been no detected community cases. Once days roll by, THEN you can assume and hope that there are PROBABLY no community cases, THEN you can look at releasing the lockdown. Not guaranteed but stats are in your favour then. No one wants an excessive lockdown, but a brief lockdown is no good either.

Jas777:

 

 

 

Maybe not as maybe he never gave it to anyone else.

 

But my point is how many times can Auckland go into level 3 lockdowns. And if they keep putting Auckland into level 3 and the media keeps on scaremongering and nothing happens will people just zone out? Dare I say it the 'boy who cried wolf' syndrome may happen. It is human nature.

 

Your key word is "maybe" 

Maybe if I played Russian Roulette I will get lucky.....

Or do you feel that lockdown has too much cost? 

ezbee:

 

Yay another clear day as we were level 3 , giving much less opportunity for further spread !
Soon we enjoy level 2 and then down to level 1.

 

https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/437788/covid-19-update-no-new-community-cases-in-new-zealand-ahead-of-alert-level-changes

 

""
In a statement, the Ministry of Health said there were nine cases in managed isolation.

 

All of the new imported cases arrived in New Zealand on Thursday, with one coming from the USA via Qatar and the other eight coming from India via the UAE.
""

 

MIQ seems to be getting another flush of cases.
Test and fly seems to be quite ineffective , I understand its required for UAE transit and Emirates at least ?
It can filter some true, but where there is high prevalence a lot of too early to detect get through it seems. 

 

How many times do you do a level 3 or 2 ? well...
There was a lot of pressure to do 'smart' short level 3, and but for tiny % of population it would have worked.  
So could have been 1 less level 3.

 

This current level 3 with lesson above and large spread of contacts, MIT, Gym, was longer.
Though not the ideal 2 cycles, we rely on high level of trust despite some contacts. 
Maybe some difficulties authorities are not highlighting, thus 'reading the health act' etc.

 

I think we are trying to be flexible and minimize damage, but hit a problem with very small % of population.

 

Glass half full would say we are in good shape, 'now'.
Hopefully this time, ready as we roll into autumn, winter before we get significant level of vaccination.

 

 

 

Well said. Its a pain, but Id rather have pain than a more serious issue. The gym thing and the recently reported undisclosed room mate/boarder thing is s pity, but the overall approach helped keep that in check. Perhaps people will fall more into line and play the game more? 

It's working.

vexxxboy:

 

not sure about that considering he went to the gym out of lockdown and it never spread.

 

Covid spreads easily, but if there are masks, social distancing, washing hands, it's hard work. Even though there is plenty of slackness, there is plenty of compliance. Stats don't favour Covid, and an AKL outbreak helps keep most alert. 

ACT

There is no rhyme nor reason for spending an additional day at alert level 3 in Auckland but the cost is estimated at $45 million," Seymour said on Friday.

"Hard-working business owners will lose another day of profitability for no clear reason"

Maybe we need to avoid lockdowns? Maybe ACT is so impressed by tests and contact tracing that the virus is 100% gone? Or maybe its just a flu, lets get back to business? As has been shown, avoid the virus you avoid the economic backlash. Sweden did that, it worked, then it didnt.

Politicians that claim "we need to end lockdown for businesses" are not thinking of the voters.

freitasm:Politicians that claim "we need to end lockdown for businesses" are not thinking of the voters.

FTFY?

tdgeek:

 

As has been shown, avoid the virus you avoid the economic backlash. Sweden did that, it worked, then it didnt.

 

You avoid *some* future economic backlash, but lockdowns are not completely pain-free either. Definitely worse to have the disease in the community and people dying all over the place, but still a pretty tough situation for people who are unable to work remotely or don't have other channels for customers that aren't face-to-face. It's much easier for a cloud-based accounting practice to move to WFH at short-notice than it is for a retailer or hospo operation. 

vexxxboy:

 

mattwnz:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Exactly. If they hadn't done the lockdown, then it highly likely would have spread more. Then Auckland could have been in a lockdown for months  WE only have to look at Melbourne  when you can't contain an outbreak and then having to go into lockdown for months. They came of the the lockdown previously too early before they had fully ring fenced it, so had no choice to do what they did.

 

Many of these radio people are shock-jocks, so say stuff to get a reaction. 

 

 

not sure about that considering he went to the gym out of lockdown and it never spread.

 

That maybe luck, but maybe also that other cases haven't tested positive but may have it, as the tests aren't all that accurate. Or some may have not been tested. But the incubation cycle can be a lot longer than the lockdown has been. But the lockdown was mainly to stop people who had the virus, but hadn't been detected, from then passing it on. Hopefully there are no further outliers that popup in the next few weeks. 

GV27:

 

You avoid *some* future economic backlash, but lockdowns are not completely pain-free either. Definitely worse to have the disease in the community and people dying all over the place, but still a pretty tough situation for people who are unable to work remotely or don't have other channels for customers that aren't face-to-face. It's much easier for a cloud-based accounting practice to move to WFH at short-notice than it is for a retailer or hospo operation. 

 

Fully agree, but look at the long term. We suffered, then retail and GDP did very well. The pent up spend occurred. If you favoured businesses, then you will spread the virus and then you have ongoing lockdowns, as per UK and Europe. UK and Europe are no better off than in March 2020.