2019 Novel Coronavirus Covid-19 Discussion

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#2689661 9-Apr-2021 05:31

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you tell me how this applies to the NZDF who have a large number of people working MIQ. you cant just deploy these people else where because you would have no one left to fill those positions.

private security are not the only ones providing security at MIF/Q facilities.

while it seems simple on the surface there is so much more to it than that.

I doubt the military is an issue with regards to vaccination. They were allocated doses early on, in readiness for potential international deployment (aid missions used as example).

Being vaccinated is not optional for enlisted military (and those who can't have vaccines aren't eligible for service). They don't enjoy many of the freedoms civilians do.

Should note that the military did their own logistics etc. I would expect they are pretty good at it.

On the contrary, military personnel have exactly the same rights as any citizen and can, if they so chose, refuse to take the vaccine. Very much a career limiting move as it will become part of the overall protocol of required vaccinations for deployable duties.

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#2689682 9-Apr-2021 06:56

Scott3:

I doubt the military is an issue with regards to vaccination. They were allocated doses early on, in readiness for potential international deployment (aid missions used as example).

Being vaccinated is not optional for enlisted military (and those who can't have vaccines aren't eligible for service). They don't enjoy many of the freedoms civilians do.

Should note that the military did their own logistics etc. I would expect they are pretty good at it.

you might want to check that, because that is incorrect for the covid 19 vaccination at least.

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#2689684 9-Apr-2021 07:04

sbiddle: So all MIQ and border workers were going to be vaccinated within 2-3 weeks from mid Feb. We even had the 30,000 doses for them. What happened? Why is this figure still only at 80%?

https://www.beehive.govt.nz/release/first-batch-covid-19-vaccine-arrives-nz

because its never been a requirement for working in MIQ facilities and people have the right to refuse the vaccination.

also if you read one of my previous replies the logistics of it can be challenging due to other vaccinations, and timings around working in the facilities and rosters.

i have had 2 vaccinations, and i know people who are working in the facilities who have only had one due to various reason, usually centered around their rosters and timings.

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#2689685 9-Apr-2021 07:07

Jase2985:
Scott3:

I doubt the military is an issue with regards to vaccination. They were allocated doses early on, in readiness for potential international deployment (aid missions used as example).

Being vaccinated is not optional for enlisted military (and those who can't have vaccines aren't eligible for service). They don't enjoy many of the freedoms civilians do.

Should note that the military did their own logistics etc. I would expect they are pretty good at it.

you might want to check that, because that is incorrect for the covid 19 vaccination at least.

It's incorrect for ALL vaccinations.

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#2689861 9-Apr-2021 11:17

Jase2985:

sbiddle: So all MIQ and border workers were going to be vaccinated within 2-3 weeks from mid Feb. We even had the 30,000 doses for them. What happened? Why is this figure still only at 80%?

https://www.beehive.govt.nz/release/first-batch-covid-19-vaccine-arrives-nz

because its never been a requirement for working in MIQ facilities and people have the right to refuse the vaccination.

also if you read one of my previous replies the logistics of it can be challenging due to other vaccinations, and timings around working in the facilities and rosters.

i have had 2 vaccinations, and i know people who are working in the facilities who have only had one due to various reason, usually centered around their rosters and timings.

But to only have 80% done shows failings. Non vaccinated MIQ workers was identified as a major risk a month ago and we were specifically told they would be moved. We were then told yesterday afternoon "it's complex" before then being told late yesterday afternoon that it would happen from Monday.

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#2689866 9-Apr-2021 11:27

sbiddle:

But to only have 80% done shows failings. Non vaccinated MIQ workers was identified as a major risk a month ago and we were specifically told they would be moved. We were then told yesterday afternoon "it's complex" before then being told late yesterday afternoon that it would happen from Monday.

have you read any of my previous posts?

sometimes with the current shifts people are working its not possible too vaccinate them at this point until they come off rotation or move to a different shift cycle. rosters are made weeks and months in advance.

some of that 20% may be because of failings but not all of it will be.

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#2689868 9-Apr-2021 11:34

Ge0rge:

It's incorrect for ALL vaccinations.

"All" vaccines aren't required but the recruitment page does state that the ones below are required prior to enlistment.

You're required to be completely up to date with your vaccinations prior to enlistment.

These include:

tetanus;
polio;
diphtheria;
pertussis;
MMR (measles, mumps and rubella);
Hepatitis B.

https://www.defencecareers.mil.nz/defence-careers/how-do-i-join/medical-and-health/

Not sure exactly what the rules around the covid-19 vaccine in particular for the NZDF. But I imagine that receiving a covid-19 vaccine would be part of Enlisted personals ongoing obligation to maintain readiness for deployment.

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#2689874 9-Apr-2021 11:41

Scott3:

Not sure exactly what the rules around the covid-19 vaccine in particular for the NZDF. But I imagine that receiving a covid-19 vaccine would be part of Enlisted personals ongoing obligation to maintain readiness for deployment.

This

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Very much a career limiting move as it will become part of the overall protocol of required vaccinations for deployable duties.

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#2689876 9-Apr-2021 11:45

Scott3:

Not sure exactly what the rules around the covid-19 vaccine in particular for the NZDF. But I imagine that receiving a covid-19 vaccine would be part of Enlisted personals ongoing obligation to maintain readiness for deployment.

I, and several others who have posted here, are in a position to be exactly sure.

Every New Zealand Citizen has the right to refuse any vaccination, and this does extend to those in the Armed Forces.

"The COVID-19 Pfizer/BioNTech vaccine can only be given to you if give expressed informed consent."

Completion of baseline vaccinations alone does not affect your medical grading or retention of service.

Take it as read that it is not compulsory for an NZDF employee to receive any vaccination.

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#2689883 9-Apr-2021 11:57

If there's ever a time to impose retrospective legislation (in this case to override existing employment contracts), it's now.

This from RNZ news:

Data on vaccines is recorded by individual MIQ hotels and MBIE noted some workers had decided "not to share their vaccination status with their employers."

It would need to be specific to C19 vaccination status, it's perfectly reasonable to expect the right to full privacy when "health related matters" have no bearing on your ability to do the job. However in this case the whole purpose of the job (in MIQ) is to protect the community, and not consenting to "share" that information is sabotaging the entire program and capable of causing immense suffering to the entire nation.

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#2689892 9-Apr-2021 12:10

Ge0rge:

I, and several others who have posted here, are in a position to be exactly sure.

Every New Zealand Citizen has the right to refuse any vaccination, and this does extend to those in the Armed Forces.

"The COVID-19 Pfizer/BioNTech vaccine can only be given to you if give expressed informed consent."

Completion of baseline vaccinations alone does not affect your medical grading or retention of service.

Take it as read that it is not compulsory for an NZDF employee to receive any vaccination.

Interesting. Seems you have substantial knowledge of the working of the NZDF.

How does failing to meet the NZDF baseline vaccination schedule impact eligibility for deployment? What happens to enlisted personell that are not elegiable for deployment?

What do you make of page 64 of the below? Obviously the age requirement would impact a lot of enlisted personell.

https://www.nzdf.mil.nz/assets/publication/Documents-concerning-NZDF-support-to-All-of-Govt-COVID-19-response.pdf

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#2689899 9-Apr-2021 12:13

working in MIQ is not a deployment so most of that doesnt matter.

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#2689913 9-Apr-2021 12:24

Though i will point out, the covid vaccination is part of the baseline vaccination schedule, but it does not affect a persons medical grading or retention of service.

and ill say it again currently it is not a requirement to have been vaccinated for covid 19 before working in a MIQ facility.

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#2690132 9-Apr-2021 17:46

Australia secure another 20m Pfizer vaccines, but not untill 4th quater 2021

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-04-09/national-cabinet-astrazeneca-covid-vaccine-clots-rollout/100058440

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#2690154 9-Apr-2021 18:19

Handle9:
networkn:

I not only did it for myself, but more for the people who cannot have the vaccine for genuine and legitimate health reasons. My view is that anyone who fails to follow the same logic, is a dick.

Yip. It's a big F you from me if you don't get vaccinated. I would like to see my family again.

Settle down.
At the end of the day it's personal choice. How exactly does it effect you if someone decides not to be vaccinated, if your take your vaccine then in theory you should have immunity right?

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