2019 Novel Coronavirus Covid-19 Discussion

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#2690223 9-Apr-2021 21:03

Jase2985:

Though i will point out, the covid vaccination is part of the baseline vaccination schedule, but it does not affect a persons medical grading or retention of service.

and ill say it again currently it is not a requirement to have been vaccinated for covid 19 before working in a MIQ facility.

Thanks for the info. Good to know it is part of the baseline vaccination schedule.

I imagine it's not a big issue anyway. Anti-vaxxers are unlikely to be enlisted anyway (due to the entry vaccination requirements), and I imagine most of the enlisted personnel are keen to remain ready for deployment.

Hopefully the government will set a date when being fully vaccinated against covid-19 is a requirement for working in MIQ.

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#2690250 9-Apr-2021 23:35

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Yip. It's a big F you from me if you don't get vaccinated. I would like to see my family again.

Settle down.
At the end of the day it's personal choice. How exactly does it effect you if someone decides not to be vaccinated, if your take your vaccine then in theory you should have immunity right?

No I I don't think I will settle down. Still a big F you if you don't get vaccinated by choice. You are showing zero regard for people who either can't take a vaccine or who have had their significantly lives impacted by COVID.

My ability to visit my country is severely limited by COVID to the point it is entirely impractical. This is how it effects me and hundreds of thousands of others. Frankly I couldn't give a damn about your personal choice.

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#2690252 9-Apr-2021 23:45

Fourpeak:

Settle down.
At the end of the day it's personal choice. How exactly does it effect you if someone decides not to be vaccinated, if your take your vaccine then in theory you should have immunity right?

No. Vaccines are not 100% effective. But if everyone had a 90% give or take effective vaccine, that goes a long way to causing Covid to die off. But selfish idiots who don't vaccinate become carriers who can infect the 10%. Also IIRC, young children don't get vaccinated.

For most of us its nice to be vaccinated, but its nicer that we are breaking the chain of transmission to others.

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#2690253 9-Apr-2021 23:50

Fourpeak: Settle down.
At the end of the day it's personal choice. How exactly does it effect you if someone decides not to be vaccinated, if your take your vaccine then in theory you should have immunity right?

How does it affect me? Well, perhaps you might want to read up on the effects of the Covid 19 vaccine (and other vaccines) on immunocompromised people. I have a friend with a 7 year old daughter the vaccine would certainly kill in a horrific and painful manner. Herd Immunity exists to protect HER, not YOU if you are fit and healthy and have no health specific reason not to take the vaccine.

If you are too stupid take it for your own protection, then at least be a decent human being and take it for the people who literally would die if they had it, and for whom C19 is a real death sentence. Consider yourself as taking one for the team of 5 million (God I hate that phrase but right now it's somewhat appropriate).

Get the vaccine. The end.

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#2690262 10-Apr-2021 01:24

I think the marketing for the C19 Vaccine should be :

"Two little pricks saves you being one big one" :)

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#2690341 10-Apr-2021 09:44

today's latest, re latest case a few days ago

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/covid-19-coronavirus-grand-millennium-hotel-case-people-in-at-least-five-auckland-homes-now-isolating/KM7JGIPHT54YQQSNNYXLWEMUZY/

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#2690368 10-Apr-2021 10:31

Batman:

today's latest, re latest case a few days ago

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/covid-19-coronavirus-grand-millennium-hotel-case-people-in-at-least-five-auckland-homes-now-isolating/KM7JGIPHT54YQQSNNYXLWEMUZY/

I'm still very surprised that they seemingly visited no locations other than their home or work over a ~10 day period to trigger any locations of interest notifications.

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#2690662 10-Apr-2021 17:31

Now it is the J&J vaccine

https://www.aljazeera.com/economy/2021/4/9/eu-regulators-reviewing-jjs-covid-vaccine-after-blood-clots

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#2690672 10-Apr-2021 18:19

The Pfizer vaccine has also had reported cases of clotting as well - which takes us back to the key problem of determining whether there is in fact any actual link.

There has been speculation for weeks that Australia was looking to move to Pfizer, not because of this, but because it's clearly just a better vaccine. It was the reason being rumoured by some as to why they weren't ramping up their rollout.

Doing so though was very difficult when you'd already committed to an Australian produced vaccine.

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#2690678 10-Apr-2021 18:40

If every vaccine does it, it makes things easier

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#2690891 11-Apr-2021 15:25

Batman: If every vaccine does it, it makes things easier

When the signal you are trying to extract is near or in the noise floor, you might see it everywhere you look.
Seeing one in a million to one in 250,000 of something that may appear in community near 1 in a million rate normally itself ?
Rate due to vaccine would be one minus the other.

To give an idea Lotto 2nd Div is about 1 in 639,730.

Younger group have a low chance of death, but then long term effects of SARS-COV2 are still a factor for them.
Never mind if you have a potential for clotting issue, this might not go so well if you get the full disease.

Europe might see summer giving them a break, but results seem to be opposite as summer spells holidays and partying.

Time might tell on how we just balance potential risks.

P.S. Does anyone else find the terminology 'Natural Infection' being used often in news strange ?
Surely its just 'Infection' , as we don't have an 'Unnatural Infection' , adding 'Natural' is redundant.
Never mind the large portion of community who have 'Natural' synonymous with 'Good'
Good infection not really a thing in this context.

Vaccination is not an infection, not continually replicating and causing disease.
Not all virus proteins are usually expressed etc.

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#2690899 11-Apr-2021 16:25

tdgeek:

Fourpeak:

Settle down.
At the end of the day it's personal choice. How exactly does it effect you if someone decides not to be vaccinated, if your take your vaccine then in theory you should have immunity right?

No. Vaccines are not 100% effective. But if everyone had a 90% give or take effective vaccine, that goes a long way to causing Covid to die off. But selfish idiots who don't vaccinate become carriers who can infect the 10%. Also IIRC, young children don't get vaccinated.

For most of us its nice to be vaccinated, but its nicer that we are breaking the chain of transmission to others.

Exactly - the whole point of vaccines is not the protection they provide an individual, but the aggregated protection they provide an entire population. And this protection only exists, and gets stronger, if high numbers are vaccinated.

Take one for the team, and use your personal choice to make the right choice. Get the vaccine if you can.

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#2690900 11-Apr-2021 16:31

Batman:

today's latest, re latest case a few days ago

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/covid-19-coronavirus-grand-millennium-hotel-case-people-in-at-least-five-auckland-homes-now-isolating/KM7JGIPHT54YQQSNNYXLWEMUZY/

I love this from one of the people in self isolation: "Myself and my friend, we have to be in quarantine. Why do we have to suffer because of one person who wasn't vaccinated?"

Tough cookies - I had to spend two weeks in the house because I spent five minutes in Kmart. I know the feeling so I sympathise, but this is just the sacrifice you have to make for sharing the earth with other people (during a pandemic).

You have to “suffer” (make a short term sacrifice) to prevent the spread of a deadly disease, just as many others have had to. It’s not personal. Fetch me my violin.

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#2690903 11-Apr-2021 16:34

antonknee:
Batman:

today's latest, re latest case a few days ago

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/covid-19-coronavirus-grand-millennium-hotel-case-people-in-at-least-five-auckland-homes-now-isolating/KM7JGIPHT54YQQSNNYXLWEMUZY/

I love this from one of the people in self isolation: "Myself and my friend, we have to be in quarantine. Why do we have to suffer because of one person who wasn't vaccinated?"

Tough cookies - I had to spend two weeks in the house because I spent five minutes in Kmart. I know the feeling so I sympathise, but this is just the sacrifice you have to make for sharing the earth with other people (during a pandemic).

You have to “suffer” (make a short term sacrifice) to prevent the spread of a deadly disease, just as many others have had to. It’s not personal. Fetch me my violin.

You're ignoring the real point which is incompetence has meant that this guy has been affected. It's entirely reasonable for him to ask why is he being punished for a systemic mess.

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#2690905 11-Apr-2021 16:40

some data about pfizer and SA variant

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/world/2021/04/covid-19-south-african-variant-can-break-through-pfizer-vaccine-israeli-study.html

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