2019 Novel Coronavirus Covid-19 Discussion

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#2691256 12-Apr-2021 10:45

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networkn:

It seems pretty simple to fix to me. You dispatch 2 qualified nurses and an admin person to each company twice in a fortnight. Basically, take the vaccines to them. The cost of this would be fractional compared to even a single day of lockdown in Auckland.

If there is a will, there is a way.

just theorizing - it could be subject to how much resuscitation equipment they need to carry and which resuscitation personnel is required to be present at the vaccination "site"

Regardless, by having a mobile vaccination team, they could ensure this is done in a more timely fashion.

It still begs the question, why is no one tracking the vaccination status of MIQ workers, how did they not know before now, that it was a problem? A spreadsheet could track the required information.

Everything is just so reactive. It's not like this couldn't have been predicted!

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#2691263 12-Apr-2021 10:53

Or are the tracking it and not publicizing/ passing the info along??

(for what ever reason)

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#2691266 12-Apr-2021 10:56

@networkn:

Everything is just so reactive. It's not like this couldn't have been predicted!

People seem to think we all live in a perfect world. They forget there is stupid stuff going on and not everyone will behave as any model predicts. Also people trust others too much.

For example, I was in Auckland a couple of weeks ago. Someone suggested I book a new hotel in the city. Price was comparable to the Sky City Hotel and location is excellent.

I thought it would be good to give this new hotel some business - and they had an enticing opening bonus offer too.

Now, this hotel brand also runs a MIQ hotel in another Auckland location. And I don't trust companies in general. More exactly I don't trust people running companies and my first thought was "What guarantees do I have someone up the chain is not making some employee run a double shift, one at the MIQ and another at the new hotel, until they have enough people to fully run the new property?"

So I booked at a hotel I have stayed before.

My question would be then "Is there any regulation preventing this happening, or is there any certification that 100% can be sure this is not happening?"

Because it is absolutely not out of the realm of possibilities that either someone wants to save money or that someone needs to work two jobs. And that someone in government simply ignored this possibility.

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#2691267 12-Apr-2021 10:57

KrazyKid:

Or are the tracking it and not publicizing/ passing the info along??

(for what ever reason)

That's not better :)

Ultimately, if for any reason staff weren't vaccinated within 2 weeks then they should have been suspended from working MIQ locations.

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#2691271 12-Apr-2021 11:01

freitasm:

@networkn:

Everything is just so reactive. It's not like this couldn't have been predicted!

People seem to think we all live in a perfect world. They forget there is stupid stuff going on and not everyone will behave as any model predicts. Also people trust others too much.

I don't think we live in a perfect world. I do understand mistakes get made, my issue is that the people who are in charge of this aren't being proactive enough.. It's not hard to predict that if all staff don't get vaccinated there will be ongoing risk of cases. Someone should have been accounting for all MIQ staff and ensuring the status was known. It's not even difficult.

Someone, somewhere should have been across it.

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#2691274 12-Apr-2021 11:03

networkn:

freitasm:

People seem to think we all live in a perfect world. They forget there is stupid stuff going on and not everyone will behave as any model predicts. Also people trust others too much.

I don't think we live in a perfect world. I do understand mistakes get made, my issue is that the people who are in charge of this aren't being proactive enough.. It's not hard to predict that if all staff don't get vaccinated there will be ongoing risk of cases. Someone should have been accounting for all MIQ staff and ensuring the status was known. It's not even difficult.

Someone, somewhere should have been across it.

I didn't mean YOU think we live in a perfect world. I meant people planning and executing the plan completely ignore or don't even contemplate "What if" scenarios.

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#2691277 12-Apr-2021 11:06

freitasm:

...someone needs to work two jobs.

However, someone in that position could very well be doing cleaning at 2 different hotels for two different employers. And would very likely conceal their employment at an MIQ facility from their other employer, because, well, they need 2 jobs.

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#2691278 12-Apr-2021 11:07

frankv:

freitasm:

...someone needs to work two jobs.

However, someone in that position could very well be doing cleaning at 2 different hotels for two different employers. And would very likely conceal their employment at an MIQ facility from their other employer, because, well, they need 2 jobs.

Possibly but I would put this down lower than the alternative.

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#2691311 12-Apr-2021 11:17

Regarding vaccination, our in laws overseas (in a hotspot) have got their first vaccine doses. We are very happy about this, and they were very fortunate get the vaccination at this time, given the uncertainty around supply via COVAX (of the AZ vaccince) as Inida is hording much of it's production for domestic use due to their current flair up.

One elderly in law just about turned down the opportunity to get the AZ vaccine, as they wanted to hold out for a Pfizer or Moderna vaccine. Vigorous conversation was had, and it was stressed that the vaccine makers seem to only be selling to nations, and their (third world) country hadn't placed any orders for either of them, so in all probability it was never coming...

Our two inlaws that were considered elderly got the AZ shot. They had minimal side effects.

The two that are not elderly got the sinovac coronavac vaccine. Both experienced vomiting, and one heart palpation's. Bit scary as access to medical help is pritty much unavailable in their location due to covid-19 overloading hospitals. Both are fine now.

Still I consider them some of the lucky ones. They know of a person who died of covid-19 in some kind of waiting area in a hospital, as the hospital was too full to admit her...

Very glad that we are going the Pfizer route for NZ.

wellygary:

The decision to not use AZ and move to pfizer for under 50s has left a big hole in their vaccine supply

The announcement on Friday of 20 million addition doses of Pfizer (10 million courses) wont be in Aust until Q4,

Australia initially had 5 million pfizer doses (2.5 million courses to be delivered "early 2021" )

In Feb they added an additional 5 million doses to that contract, but that delivery isn't due until "the second half of 2021"

So until at least July Australia only has the capacity to vaccinate 2.5 million under 50s ( I think I read there are around 12 million in the 18-50 age group).

The logic behind the decision to not use AZ for under 50's vs over 50's seems to be that older people seem's to get hit harder by the virus, so therefore it is worth them accepting greater risk when it comes to potential vaccine side effects.

The key issue with the above is that may over 50's will object to getting the (perceived) inferior vaccine, and will refuse until such time as a Pfizer (or possibly Novovax) course is made available to them. Given Aust has no community transmission, the risk of waiting is relatively small. But will put a lot of pressure on Pfizer doses. Will be interesting to see how this pans out.

Should note that this is not really Aussies fault they are in this situation. It is basically just luck of the draw that the horse they backed (AZ) was found to have a very rare side effect. Could have (and still could) happen to us with Pfizer.

That said, from a herd immunity perspective, Australia is likely going to be well served by switching to a more effective vaccine. And I'm sure their AZ doses will be able to be exported to countries with a much greater risk profile and hence tolerance to risk.

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#2691322 12-Apr-2021 11:34

From today border staff who haven't been vaccinated will start to be re-deployed, with no un-vaccinated workers allows on the front line form next month.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/health/coronavirus/300274649/national-calls-for-all-unvaccinated-border-workers-to-be-removed

Kinda frustrating that it takes a bunch of community cases to get this kind of action (or even accurate information about the level of vaccination in border workers), especially when we received enough doses for the border workers back in February...

Doesn't appear to yet be a date set when all border workers must be fully immunized (2 doses, plus a waiting period).

[edit] changed first sentence to vaccinated.

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#2691333 12-Apr-2021 11:43

Scott3:From today border staff who haven't been vaccinated will start to be re-deployed, with no vaccinated workers allows on the front line form next month.

Shouldn't that be UN vaccinated?

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#2691338 12-Apr-2021 12:03

Scott3:

Regarding vaccination, our in laws overseas (in a hotspot) have got their first vaccine doses. We are very happy about this, and they were very fortunate get the vaccination at this time, given the uncertainty around supply via COVAX (of the AZ vaccince) as Inida is hording much of it's production for domestic use due to their current flair up.

One elderly in law just about turned down the opportunity to get the AZ vaccine, as they wanted to hold out for a Pfizer or Moderna vaccine. Vigorous conversation was had, and it was stressed that the vaccine makers seem to only be selling to nations, and their (third world) country hadn't placed any orders for either of them, so in all probability it was never coming...

Our two inlaws that were considered elderly got the AZ shot. They had minimal side effects.

The two that are not elderly got the sinovac coronavac vaccine. Both experienced vomiting, and one heart palpation's. Bit scary as access to medical help is pritty much unavailable in their location due to covid-19 overloading hospitals. Both are fine now.

Still I consider them some of the lucky ones. They know of a person who died of covid-19 in some kind of waiting area in a hospital, as the hospital was too full to admit her...

where is this? glad everyone's ok

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#2691350 12-Apr-2021 12:06

networkn:

Regardless, by having a mobile vaccination team, they could ensure this is done in a more timely fashion.

It still begs the question, why is no one tracking the vaccination status of MIQ workers, how did they not know before now, that it was a problem? A spreadsheet could track the required information.

Everything is just so reactive. It's not like this couldn't have been predicted!

agree actually. when there's a will there's a way as you said.

about being reactive, we've been saying the same thing from day 1 of the pandemic, if one can be bothered reading our posts in the early days.

no problem don't do anything, something happens, let's do something to fix that one issue. there i fixed it, no more problems don't need to do anything ... rinse repeat.

it is what it is