2019 Novel Coronavirus Covid-19 Discussion

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#2735870 28-Jun-2021 14:19

Oblivian

They were announced on the stand up yesterday that the toilet and cafe were added but not specifically that other flights may have been in the area
perhaps that was for Wellington side however.

Guess working on if you know you know

NZ122 is Melbourne to Auckland.

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#2735873 28-Jun-2021 14:21

GV27:

Isolation or managed isolation?

It just said isolation. That infers voluntary, and unsure if in NZ or AUS. They "travelled" to NZ implies they are back in AUS. Hopeless reporting

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#2735879 28-Jun-2021 14:37

tdgeek:

GV27:

Isolation or managed isolation?

It just said isolation. That infers voluntary, and unsure if in NZ or AUS. They "travelled" to NZ implies they are back in AUS. Hopeless reporting

It seems a bit vague, the wording of another headline suggests by saying they "have travelled to NZ" that they are here.

The article also suggests that they're casual contacts of one of the cases from the mine, but doesn't state if the two were actually working at the mine, though either way, if they've been in contact with a confirmed case they're high risk.

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#2735883 28-Jun-2021 15:01

tdgeek:

GV27:

Isolation or managed isolation?

It just said isolation. That infers voluntary, and unsure if in NZ or AUS. They "travelled" to NZ implies they are back in AUS. Hopeless reporting

From the Stuff article:

Both of the miners’ contacts who are in New Zealand will be tested again five days after their last contact with the miner.

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#2735898 28-Jun-2021 16:22

Confirmed as just self-isolating in the presser just now.

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#2735909 28-Jun-2021 17:11

Sound to me that the government is going to make masks compulsory at Lvl 2 and above.
Also they are planning to make scanning/signing in with QR codes/logs compulsory for some venues at Lvl 2 and above.

I take the post cabinet announcement as the pre-warning to get people use to the idea.
I'd expect to here this is a the new rules next week after they get a report.

If Aussie can do it, we can.
It's a good idea.

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#2735911 28-Jun-2021 17:20

KrazyKid:

Sound to me that the government is going to make masks compulsory at Lvl 2 and above.
Also they are planning to make scanning/signing in with QR codes/logs compulsory for some venues at Lvl 2 and above.

I take the post cabinet announcement as the pre-warning to get people use to the idea.
I'd expect to here this is a the new rules next week after they get a report.

If Aussie can do it, we can.
It's a good idea.

If the risk is so high at level 2 that you're required to wear a mask in hospo venues (eating/drinking) but will be allowed to take your mask off to eat/drink, then those places shouldn't even be open for indoor dining/drink.

(I certainly won't be dining/drinking anywhere if masks are a requirement under level 2 for that, since it seems pointless and unenforcable, since you need to take your mask off to eat/drink/etc)

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#2735926 28-Jun-2021 18:00

Fred99:

Handle9:

The UK 1 dose strategy is quite different to the US version. One dose of either Astrazeneca or Pfizer are much less effective than 2 doses with Delta.

I'd be surprised if Delta is as widespread in the US as the UK.

It's also pretty hard to infer much in death numbers. They are very low in both countries now and very comparable to other endemic diseases.

A couple of weeks ago delta variant was only about 10% of known cases in the US. Exactly the same trend as what happened in the UK will occur, it's going to be the dominant strain everywhere until something even better adapted arrives.

The "partial immunity" thing in millions of people is a grave risk, one dose AZ = 30% efficacy, that's applying selective pressure, the random mutations that result in strains best able to infect those with partial immunity will be the winners. And around we'll go - the need for booster shots to deal with escape variants seems inevitable.

OTOH the one dose strategy unquestionably has saved a lot of lives, probably tens of thousands, in the UK. It was always an imperfect solution and unnecessary now with more widespread (in the UK) vaccine availability.

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#2735957 28-Jun-2021 18:53

Fred99:

A couple of weeks ago delta variant was only about 10% of known cases in the US. Exactly the same trend as what happened in the UK will occur, it's going to be the dominant strain everywhere until something even better adapted arrives.

The "partial immunity" thing in millions of people is a grave risk, one dose AZ = 30% efficacy, that's applying selective pressure, the random mutations that result in strains best able to infect those with partial immunity will be the winners. And around we'll go - the need for booster shots to deal with escape variants seems inevitable.

I once read a SF story about a virus with swarm intelligence. The way this one is behaving I have to wonder if something similar is happening here. So far it seems to be doing a pretty good job of outsmarting us.

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#2736015 28-Jun-2021 19:46

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-06-28/vaccinated-attendees-west-hoxton-birthday-party-avoid-covid-19/100249612

~30 people at a birthday party in Sydney. One infectious person was there with Delta strain.

6 of the 30 were healthcare workers who'd been vaccinated. One more had received only one shot.

None of the vaccinated people have contracted C-19 - but all of the unvaccinated people have.

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#2736019 28-Jun-2021 19:54

If you needed more proof they are looking for stories for clicks despite the continual warnings. And artillery to rile people up emotionally over the measures

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/covid-19-coronavirus-kiwis-plans-to-become-a-mum-put-on-hold-after-transtasman-bubble-pause/VQQRSBI52ARVD4CVHHUV6ZUXJI/

It's a red breaking news banner on herald atm.

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#2736021 28-Jun-2021 19:58

Rikkitic:

I once read a SF story about a virus with swarm intelligence. The way this one is behaving I have to wonder if something similar is happening here. So far it seems to be doing a pretty good job of outsmarting us.

Yeah / nah. It's just evolution, the way it's worked for billions of years.

People have nightmares about being eaten by sharks or tigers, mosquitoes are thousands of times more dangerous, and then only because of the microscopic things they carry that we can't see, and are our biggest threat (apart from ourselves maybe).

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#2736023 28-Jun-2021 20:05

Oblivian:

It's a red breaking news banner on herald atm.

Words fail me - what a pack of morons - reporting other sad morons' life adventures as "news".

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#2736025 28-Jun-2021 20:08

Oblivian:

If you needed more proof they are looking for stories for clicks despite the continual warnings. And artillery to rile people up emotionally over the measures

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/covid-19-coronavirus-kiwis-plans-to-become-a-mum-put-on-hold-after-transtasman-bubble-pause/VQQRSBI52ARVD4CVHHUV6ZUXJI/

It's a red breaking news banner on herald atm.

Yuk. I got halfway through that drivel when I realised I would never get those three seconds back. Can someone not bury that miserable publication? It is clearly dead.

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#2736029 28-Jun-2021 20:20

Yep and some like SARS 1 find they are in a corner unable to escape infection control measures, eventually.
Swine Flu , the human transmissible version was fearsome, but it met a similar fate.
Fortunately...

So there are fortunately a lot of dead ends... Roll the Dice, Spin the Wheel, Hit me with another Card.

Our main problem is putting money and effort into vigilance and potential treatments for things that only happen once every 10 years or so.
Well its hard to raise that cash once panic is over.

As we know now, maybe the dice does not fall in our favor.

Towards the end of this virology cast Laurie Garrett talks of what she would like the world to be doing.

TWiV 773: Laurie Garrett, pandemic prophet June 27, 2021
https://www.microbe.tv/twiv/

Laurie Garrett, author of The Coming Plague, joins TWiV for a wide-ranging discussion of infectious disease and public health, including emerging infections, the role of wildlife markets in spillovers, and missteps in handling the COVID-19 pandemic.

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