2019 Novel Coronavirus Covid-19 Discussion

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#2740767 7-Jul-2021 17:50

GV27:

Sounds like Jansen offers some protection against Delta variant. Keen to know if you can get a single-jab Jansen and then follow-up with a Pfizer later to improve protection.

It will be interesting to know what "mixes" of these can work well. IMO that will transpire over time, its way too soon now to know. But when I roll up for a vaccine, I BETTER NO BE TOLD you are getting Janssen today. If I want Pfizer I expect Pfizer.

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#2740772 7-Jul-2021 18:02

It's going to be almost impossible to know what the impact of mixed dosing will be when there are several different vaccines being mixed, with different time between doses, in different communities with different ratios of variants in circulation, and with different quality of monitoring (some do sequencing, some don't etc).

Best practice is to stick with something proven to be effective.

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#2740774 7-Jul-2021 18:09

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It's going to be almost impossible to know what the impact of mixed dosing will be when there are several different vaccines being mixed, with different time between doses, in different communities with different ratios of variants in circulation, and with different quality of monitoring (some do sequencing, some don't etc).

Best practice is to stick with something proven to be effective.

IMO it is like not following the manufacturers instructions and guidelines on a product you buy. What happens if something goes wrong as a result of mixing them. IMO it also could result in less people getting vaccinated, as many people will want to make sure they are getting a certain vaccine, and it is being installed as per the manufacturers recommendations. I certainly wouldn' t be keen on getting a mixed one, and I don't see the reasoning for it in NZs case, as NZs roll out is already slow. So being a little bit slower isn't going to make much difference.

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#2740776 7-Jul-2021 18:12

Fred99:

It's going to be almost impossible to know what the impact of mixed dosing will be when there are several different vaccines being mixed, with different time between doses, in different communities with different ratios of variants in circulation, and with different quality of monitoring (some do sequencing, some don't etc).

Best practice is to stick with something proven to be effective.

Yes, its such a moving target. What I like is that we are safe here. We are vaccinating what we get supplied. Safe here, no rush. Over time, more info will evolve, what mixes well with what, and we can take advantage of that. The other day Scotland, topped 9/10 of the hotspots in all of Europe. Half of the ENG cricket team are stood down vs Pakistan due to Covid exposure. UK is ending the fight against Covid in 12 days. Meanwhile we do our daily lives, attend packed stadiums. We are SO lucky, but its not luck. By end of year when vaccines are done and dusted, we can look at what transpired in the last 6 months of the year, and cherrypick what we will do early 2022.

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#2740777 7-Jul-2021 18:18

mattwnz:

IMO it is like not following the manufacturers instructions and guidelines on a product you buy. What happens if something goes wrong as a result of mixing them. IMO it also could result in less people getting vaccinated, as many people will want to make sure they are getting a certain vaccine, and it is being installed as per the manufacturers recommendations. I certainly wouldn' t be keen on getting a mixed one, and I don't see the reasoning for it in NZs case, as NZs roll out is already slow. So being a little bit slower isn't going to make much difference.

The rollout is not slow. Quote me the supplies vs the jabs

What could go wrong in NZ by mixing them? Nothing. As we won't be mixing them. BUT, as we have room to move, it may be found by other countries playing with fire, that certain mixes work. Then we will follow. We can follow as did the right thing, thats why we can squeeze into rugby stadiums et al

Despite the daily bagging, we did it right, end of story. In a few months we can follow who played with the populous and got it right.

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#2740793 7-Jul-2021 19:39

NSW again:

NSW may have to give up on lockdown and live with Delta variant, government admits

NSW may never control its current COVID-19 outbreak, and be forced to live with the virus for good, Health Minister Brad Hazzard says.

The admission came towards the end of a long press conference and signalled, the possibility at least, of a major pandemic policy shift in Australia's most populous state.

On the same day the lockdown affecting Greater Sydney and its surrounds was extended for a week, Mr Hazzard was asked if the state would ever gain control of the Delta COVID-19 variant.

It was put to him that, perhaps, the state should just "give up" — something that would put NSW's strategy at odds with management blueprints in other states and territories.

"If the individuals that we need don't hear Dr Chant's message and don't respond, then at some point we're going to move to a stage where we're going to have to accept that the virus has a life which will continue in the community," he said.

Hopefully that last comment might persuade idiots not taking things seriously to wake up their ideas before it becomes an inevitability.

I'm not sure if the headline matches what was actually said, but anyway...

Uncontained Delta variant in a large city with low vaccination rates = certain doom.

In the meantime here, the travel bubble with Qld and NSW has now been suspended indefinitely (subject to review before it's reopened - if ever)

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#2740794 7-Jul-2021 19:42

Fred99:

NSW again:

NSW may have to give up on lockdown and live with Delta variant, government admits

NSW may never control its current COVID-19 outbreak, and be forced to live with the virus for good, Health Minister Brad Hazzard says.

The admission came towards the end of a long press conference and signalled, the possibility at least, of a major pandemic policy shift in Australia's most populous state.

On the same day the lockdown affecting Greater Sydney and its surrounds was extended for a week, Mr Hazzard was asked if the state would ever gain control of the Delta COVID-19 variant.

It was put to him that, perhaps, the state should just "give up" — something that would put NSW's strategy at odds with management blueprints in other states and territories.

"If the individuals that we need don't hear Dr Chant's message and don't respond, then at some point we're going to move to a stage where we're going to have to accept that the virus has a life which will continue in the community," he said.

Hopefully that last comment might persuade idiots not taking things seriously to wake up their ideas before it becomes an inevitability.

I'm not sure if the headline matches what was actually said, but anyway...

Uncontained Delta variant in a large city with low vaccination rates = certain doom.

hmm ... I wonder what the Federal Govt has to say about that. coz it will affect the other states

essentially he's saying Australia will bring forward mr Morrison's plans by 1 year

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#2740798 7-Jul-2021 19:47

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/health/coronavirus/125674685/covid19-positive-mariners-coming-back-to-shore-to-go-into-miq-via-port-taranaki

I don't trust this boat's operators one little bit.

Turning off their AIS transponder is devious, I don't believe that they're "out of range". I hope we've got them tracked on radar and/or by air.

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#2740799 7-Jul-2021 19:52

Fred99:

I don't trust this boat's operators one little bit.

Landing in Auckland, then going the long way around the top top to get to Taranaki to avoid MiQ before departure was dodgy in itself.

If you board in Auckland, you must MiQ before. Board elsewhere and you can use the safety plan direct to port

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#2740812 7-Jul-2021 21:20

Press release:

New Zealand’s regulatory authority Medsafe has granted provisional approval of the Janssen COVID-19 vaccine for individuals 18 years of age and older, COVID-19 Minister Chris Hipkins announced today.

“New Zealand secured 2 million doses of the Janssen vaccine through an advance purchase agreement last year. We purchased a portfolio of vaccine options to provide us with flexibility, and the approval of a second COVID-19 vaccine is welcome news.

“Medsafe follows a rigorous assessment process informed by the most up to date medical and scientific data. Approval has been very carefully considered with safety the key priority.

“The medical evidence shows Janssen is a very safe and effective vaccine. It is a great addition to our vaccine options,” Chris Hipkins said.

The Janssen COVID-19 vaccine has also received emergency or provisional approval in Canada, USA and Australia.

“While our plan remains to ramp up the roll-out using the Pfizer vaccine from here, having the option of the Janssen vaccine increases our choices and provides us with flexibility if we need it. As a single dose vaccine, it may be useful in hard to reach locations or emergencies, or for those who cannot get the Pfizer vaccine.”

New Zealand is already receiving significant deliveries of the Pfizer vaccine and has secured enough doses of the Pfizer vaccine for the population of New Zealand and our Pacific neighbours, in 2021.

“Provisional approval is the first step in the process. Cabinet will weigh up the options on the best use of the Janssen vaccine following advice from officials. A Cabinet ‘decision to use’ can be expected sometime in August,” Chris Hipkins said.

“Our roll out of the COVID-19 immunisation programme is well under way and we have a plan to offer a Pfizer vaccine to everyone in New Zealand by the end of the year.

“It’s good to have a range of options to access safe and effective vaccines to meet the need of New Zealanders now and in the future.”

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#2740817 7-Jul-2021 21:41

Anyone catch that article (I forget which - sorry) earlier in the week in which Helen Clark was quoted as saying she did not believe travel would revert to normal "in my lifetime"?!

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#2740819 7-Jul-2021 21:55

Geektastic:

Anyone catch that article (I forget which - sorry) earlier in the week in which Helen Clark was quoted as saying she did not believe travel would revert to normal "in my lifetime"?!

It's in the Rob Fyfe article I linked at the bottom of page 1411

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#2740840 8-Jul-2021 00:42

Fred99:

CDC data shows that Delta was about 5% of new cases a month ago, it's >20% of new cases now, and the states where Delta variant is becoming dominant most quickly are the states with the lowest % fully vaccinated.

I posted that just over a week ago.

CDC now report that Delta variant is now 51% of new cases in the US overall, and over 80% in some areas:

https://www.npr.org/sections/coronavirus-live-updates/2021/07/06/1013582342/delta-is-now-the-dominant-coronavirus-variant-in-the-u-s

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#2740841 8-Jul-2021 00:58

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mattwnz:

IMO it is like not following the manufacturers instructions and guidelines on a product you buy. What happens if something goes wrong as a result of mixing them. IMO it also could result in less people getting vaccinated, as many people will want to make sure they are getting a certain vaccine, and it is being installed as per the manufacturers recommendations. I certainly wouldn' t be keen on getting a mixed one, and I don't see the reasoning for it in NZs case, as NZs roll out is already slow. So being a little bit slower isn't going to make much difference.

The rollout is not slow. Quote me the supplies vs the jabs

What could go wrong in NZ by mixing them? Nothing. As we won't be mixing them. BUT, as we have room to move, it may be found by other countries playing with fire, that certain mixes work. Then we will follow. We can follow as did the right thing, thats why we can squeeze into rugby stadiums et al

Despite the daily bagging, we did it right, end of story. In a few months we can follow who played with the populous and got it right.

I was meaning compared to many other 1st world countries, NZs roll out is slow. But that is partly because we are covid free, so supplies are going to countries more in need for saving lives. I know in the UK, friends and family are making sure they are getting the pfizer vaccine, and taking photos with their phone of the batch etc when they get it done. IMO if they do start mixing and matching, it may mean less people are willing to get the vaccine, and some may just get the first dose, so we have to be very careful that we don't botch it, because experts are saying we need 99%+ people vaccinated eventually. In order to get it to that level, I am guessing that it will need to be compulsory at some point.

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#2740845 8-Jul-2021 03:24

mattwnz:

In order to get it to that level, I am guessing that it will need to be compulsory at some point.

You can not make a medical treatment compulsory. That would be incredibly unethical.

You can impose other restrictions on those who are not vaccinated, which is ethical.

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