By tomorrow, data should be available re who got infected pre lockdown and post lockdown. Thats important, as as Dr A stated, for the Govt alert decision

HelloThere: Seems like you can go whitebaiting in L4 now. Suppose they'll be fishing next.

No. No recreation or leisure activity is allowed in L4 apart form exercise, that's from the Govt Covid website. In L3, yes, as long as any outdoor activity is not in the water (as you cant expect others to compromise their Covid safety to rescue you)

For some reason the Police turned a blind eye to whitebaiting

tdgeek:

 

HelloThere: Seems like you can go whitebaiting in L4 now. Suppose they'll be fishing next.

 

No. No recreation or leisure activity is allowed in L4 apart form exercise, that's from the Govt Covid website. In L3, yes, as long as any outdoor activity is not in the water (as you cant expect others to compromise their Covid safety to rescue you)

 

For some reason the Police turned a blind eye to whitebaiting

 

Again, super exploitation of the loose terms.

DOC aren't essential. Police need to police. Police are working off the 'it's not always dangerous', And it's not explicitly excluded. Despite their Social Media posts early in the week specifically mentioning it, They have backed out

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/health/coronavirus/300390683/covid19-confusion-reigns-over-rules-as-whitebaiters-hit-rivers-in-lockdown 

There is also a bit of a 'forreiging for food' aspect brush painted over it. So noone will want to tread on the tradition toes.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/health/coronavirus/300390683/covid19-confusion-reigns-over-rules-as-whitebaiters-hit-rivers-in-lockdown 

Also...

https://help.mightyape.co.nz/hc/en-nz/articles/4405194639247-Alert-Level-4-Temporary-Closure 

Oblivian:

 

 

 

Again, super exploitation of the loose terms.

 

DOC aren't essential. Police need to police. Police are working off the 'it's not always dangerous', And it's not explicitly excluded. Despite their Social Media posts early in the week specifically mentioning it, They have backed out

 

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/health/coronavirus/300390683/covid19-confusion-reigns-over-rules-as-whitebaiters-hit-rivers-in-lockdown 

 

There is also a bit of a 'forreiging for food' aspect brush painted over it. So noone will want to tread on the tradition toes.

 

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/health/coronavirus/300390683/covid19-confusion-reigns-over-rules-as-whitebaiters-hit-rivers-in-lockdown 

 

Also...

 

https://help.mightyape.co.nz/hc/en-nz/articles/4405194639247-Alert-Level-4-Temporary-Closure 

 

On the Government’s Covid-19 website, people are asked not to go swimming, surfing, boating, hunting or do any other outdoor activities at alert level 4

In my view this is quite clear. Hunting is a clue as is any other outdoor activities. We all know its exercise only, the terms aren't that loose (in fact they cover everything but exercise) but they are being exploited. Police fail

Stay at home, the stated essential services, or exercise locally is ALL that is allowed

Or providing front room beauty creams out the door as essential health items because the wording reads not to but not explicitly enough :P

There's a whole lot of grey all over 1-day too. Marketing their household goods etc, but the bathroom stuff.. ho-hum. Borderline in my eyes but apparently the area between 'soap' 'toothpaste' and 'items to keep people healthy' is broad enough that there are many items going out you can as easily get at an authorised to open supermarket.

Batman: 62 cases over 20,000 contacts now

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/covid-19-coronavirus-delta-outbreak-62-new-community-cases-chris-hipkins-and-ashley-bloomfield/U3LAD7QYGEDT6URD5Y4O5Y7VDQ/

Its going well. As they stated its not exponential. By tomorrow they will tabulate the pre lockdown cases and the in lockdown case numbers

1.7 million in Auckland, probably 2 million in Greater Auckland, LOI's galore. Not many cases IMHO. Id wager that most cases are pre lockdown infections as lockdown is still young. And that spread has stopped a lot due to lockdown. I feel its all on track

Oblivian:

 

Or providing front room beauty creams out the door as essential health items because the wording reads not to but not explicitly enough :P

 

There's a whole lot of grey all over 1-day too. Marketing their household goods etc, but the bathroom stuff.. ho-hum. Borderline in my eyes but apparently the area between 'soap' 'toothpaste' and 'items to keep people healthy' is broad enough that there are many items going out you can as easily get at an authorised to open supermarket.

 

Yeah that and others are pushing it. I want garden supplies. Mitre 10 has them, but not when you click Shop, they seem to be playing ball.

Its a pity that some play these games

I think it is becoming more clear that this outbreak is going to end up becoming centred on Auckland. It looks like it is probably getting ringfenced in the rest of NZ as new cases elsewhere are minimal and most seem to be expected contacts.  Flouters are a big problem I think. I have seen a lot of them, luckily I am not in Auckland and there aren't any cases in my area, which maybe why people are being more slack then the last level 4 lockdown. Certainly there are a lot more cars driving around. 

But like the last time I wouldn't be surprised if there are going to be secret  meetups going on that could spread the virus. It would have cost the economy a lot the last time this went on.

tdgeek:

 

And that spread has stopped a lot due to lockdown. I feel its all on track

 

We are seeing new LOIs post-lockdown, however, in places that provide essential goods. That's something we haven't seen before. 

Given that the entire NSW cluster started from a single case, it's hard to imagine that Auckland will move alert levels while we still have new LOIs popping up from the post-lockdown period. 

mattwnz:

 

I think it is becoming more clear that this outbreak is going to end up becoming centred on Auckland. It looks like it is probably getting ringfenced in the rest of NZ as new cases elsewhere are minimal and most seem to be expected contacts.  Flouters are a big problem I think. I have seen a lot of them, luckily I am not in Auckland and there aren't any cases in my area, which maybe why people are being more slack then the last level 4 lockdown. Certainly there are a lot more cars driving around. 

 

My prediction would be that Auckland gets isolated and the rest of the country regains some freedom for a few weeks until eventually it leaks back out of Auckland again. I'm not convinced that we will get back to national elimination long term.

My advice would be to get your vaccination as soon as possible. When you consider the wait time to get your first dose, then the standdown for the second dose, then the time it takes to build immunity, the whole process could easily take two or three months. Who knows what situation we'll be in at that point.

I've scheduled my doses three weeks apart because I think getting maximum immunity as quickly as possible trumps the minor benefit of the longer period between doses. 

alasta:

 

mattwnz:

 

I think it is becoming more clear that this outbreak is going to end up becoming centred on Auckland. It looks like it is probably getting ringfenced in the rest of NZ as new cases elsewhere are minimal and most seem to be expected contacts.  Flouters are a big problem I think. I have seen a lot of them, luckily I am not in Auckland and there aren't any cases in my area, which maybe why people are being more slack then the last level 4 lockdown. Certainly there are a lot more cars driving around. 

 

 

My prediction would be that Auckland gets isolated and the rest of the country regains some freedom for a few weeks until eventually it leaks back out of Auckland again. I'm not convinced that we will get back to national elimination long term.

 

My advice would be to get your vaccination as soon as possible. When you consider the wait time to get your first dose, then the standdown for the second dose, then the time it takes to build immunity, the whole process could easily take two or three months. Who knows what situation we'll be in at that point.

 

I've scheduled my doses three weeks apart because I think getting maximum immunity as quickly as possible trumps the minor benefit of the longer period between doses. 

 

IMO it largely depends on how much flouting is going on. It is possible to eliminate if you lockdown early enough, as has been shown in some states in Oz and China. But they now have too many flouters even in Vic, and they were also slower at locking down.  NZ certainly should be able to eliminate it, as level 4 is about starving the virus of new hosts. But it could take a month or longer in Auckland, largely all depends on the flouters.Also the NZ media IMO is not helping,as they are constantly asking experts etc, whether it is possible to eliminate, using Australia as a example, even though Australias health system is a lot better than NZs. It wasn't supposed to be possible to eliminate last year , but it was done. NZ doesn't have a plan B, apart from suppression, which would basically mean lockdown for months.  We don't need all that many cases for the health system to be overwhelmed. Even with high vaccine uptake we need more health capacity to cope, especially as it will be largely the unvaccinated that will need hospital care. 

GV27:

 

We are seeing new LOIs post-lockdown, however, in places that provide essential goods. That's something we haven't seen before. 

 

Given that the entire NSW cluster started from a single case, it's hard to imagine that Auckland will move alert levels while we still have new LOIs popping up from the post-lockdown period. 

 

Do we know that? They are being released post lockdown but are the cases infected after lockdown? I'm sure some have, due to asymptomatic going to the supermarket, but I dont think we have numbers. While its not been reported, Dr A said he has a team extracting cases to pre and post lockdown infection. Maybe that's not sensational enough I guess. Thats a crucial metric IMO. Much as like we have had say 30 cases today and all are already in MIQ, that's what we need pre and post lockdown.

NZ covid case data?

MOH previously(?) published a daily updated csv file with limited cumulative case details (imported vs local, age band, gender).  Last one I downloaded was mid-April ("covid_cases_2021-04-12.csv"), but I can no longer file a link to the dataset.

Anyone here know if it is still available?  If so, where?

Or is this yet another case of further restricting public access to information?

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Yes, I know researchers can email and request data (likelihood of getting it?).  But hopefully there is still a readily accessible basic list as previously published.