2019 Novel Coronavirus Covid-19 Discussion

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#2768063 28-Aug-2021 13:18

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I'm only interested if our positive waste water test actually turns into a case outside of MIQ.

Also NZ Herald most likely has a MoH leaker. This isn't no crystal ball effort here.

Latter, yeah probably.

Former, IIRC they will be testing other parts of ChCh wastewater, to confirm that pre MIQ hotels, its clear and post them its positive. I assume testing here is quite high, but I can see aggravation if SI stays at L3 over one week, if its still zero cases. Thats 21 days, never a case, well past incubation.

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#2768065 28-Aug-2021 13:20

82 cases. All in Auckland. One new border related in MIQ.

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#2768067 28-Aug-2021 13:21

There are 82 new community cases of Covid-19, all in Auckland.

This brings the total number of cases in the community outbreak to 429. There are 14 cases in Wellington, and the remaining 415 are in Auckland.

Doesnt tell any part of the story, more detail coming I hope

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#2768068 28-Aug-2021 13:22

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sbiddle:

... so many people seem to have the idea they are the security presence, which is not (and never has been) the case. They pretty much want out of the small role they're still performing.

....and later...

I never said they don't provide a security presence.

Sbiddle, I think you may have a stellar career in politics ahead of you

FYI, there are currently around 1200 NZDF personnel dedicated solely to the COVID response, which when you look at the size of trained personnel in the force, is hardly a "small role". And we're still putting ships to sea and operating aircraft

Once again you've interpreted something I didn't say.

Only ~500 of those operate in a security role which is all I'm discussing here - but that number has increased slight in the past month due the inability of MBIE to employ enough of their own security staff.

My original comment was that NZDF are not 100% of the security personnel at MIQ facilities, which is something many people still believe is the case. Private security along with MBIE employed security staff will provide over 50% of security roles at MIQ facilities once MBIE are able to employ enough staff to take up their roles.

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#2768070 28-Aug-2021 13:25

tdgeek:

There are 82 new community cases of Covid-19, all in Auckland.

This brings the total number of cases in the community outbreak to 429. There are 14 cases in Wellington, and the remaining 415 are in Auckland.

Doesnt tell any part of the story, more detail coming I hope

No word on chch waste water or wellington waste water either.

Just numbers. Mildly aggravating but I suppose we shall wait till actual MoH release.

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#2768071 28-Aug-2021 13:26

tdgeek:

There are 82 new community cases of Covid-19, all in Auckland.

This brings the total number of cases in the community outbreak to 429. There are 14 cases in Wellington, and the remaining 415 are in Auckland.

Doesnt tell any part of the story, more detail coming I hope

So few details to really form any sort of judgement if it's good or bad.

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#2768072 28-Aug-2021 13:28

As at 6 August so just over three weeks old:

https://www.nzdf.mil.nz/nzdf/covid-19-response/

Support to the Government By the numbers

There are currently 962 NZDF personnel deployed in support of the All-of-Government (AoG) response to COVID-19.

Here’s where we’re helping out:

Managed Isolation and Quarantine Facility (MIQF) Staff: 342

MIQF Security: 600

MIQ (HQ) Operations: 19

Ministry of Health (MoH) COVID-19 Vaccination Planning: 1

In total the NZDF has 1246 personnel committed to the response, which includes personnel preparing to deploy and personnel in respite following deployment.

And from RNZ:

https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/political/446277/covid-19-government-struggling-to-recruit-miq-security-staff

There are 850 security roles at the MIQ facilities. The current workforce is made up of personnel from the Defence Force, Aviation Security (AVSEC), private security firms and MBIE.

600 out of 850 security roles filled by Defence seems a bit more than a small role.

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#2768073 28-Aug-2021 13:35

sbiddle:

So few details to really form any sort of judgement if it's good or bad.

I find it quite annoying. While I don't expect a 300 page report delivered to my door, I do expect a guide on where the 82 cases came from. They are either infected IN lockdown, as in self isolation, or they are infected out in the community. 82 cases means nothing. It might be 80 household infections, or it could be 80 true community transmissions. Awesome news vs shocking news. All I can extrapolate from this, is its in between those two. Maybe if we are kept in the dark and its rising, Kiwis will be more careful? Or be less annoyed by extended lockdown?

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#2768076 28-Aug-2021 13:56

tdgeek:

sbiddle:

So few details to really form any sort of judgement if it's good or bad.

I find it quite annoying. While I don't expect a 300 page report delivered to my door, I do expect a guide on where the 82 cases came from. They are either infected IN lockdown, as in self isolation, or they are infected out in the community. 82 cases means nothing. It might be 80 household infections, or it could be 80 true community transmissions. Awesome news vs shocking news. All I can extrapolate from this, is its in between those two. Maybe if we are kept in the dark and its rising, Kiwis will be more careful? Or be less annoyed by extended lockdown?

yeah, It’s becoming clear that health wont/cant tell us this info....

As a proxy, it’s promising that the locations of interest are now declining,

We should start to see some good movements on this next week as we pass two weeks since the lockdown ( they are dropping them after 14 days)

But we need to see the start of a steady decline in new daily case numbers.. although at 14 days we could start to see some of the active cases recovering :::

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#2768079 28-Aug-2021 14:01

tdgeek:

sbiddle:

So few details to really form any sort of judgement if it's good or bad.

I find it quite annoying. While I don't expect a 300 page report delivered to my door, I do expect a guide on where the 82 cases came from. They are either infected IN lockdown, as in self isolation, or they are infected out in the community. 82 cases means nothing. It might be 80 household infections, or it could be 80 true community transmissions. Awesome news vs shocking news. All I can extrapolate from this, is its in between those two. Maybe if we are kept in the dark and its rising, Kiwis will be more careful? Or be less annoyed by extended lockdown?

I thought they were going to start releasing that info. As you say, in one situation we're doing well and in the other we are doing very poorly.

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#2768080 28-Aug-2021 14:04

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yeah, It’s becoming clear that health wont/cant tell us this info....

Not so much can't as won't I'd say. I think it's in the public interest for them to be released.

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#2768081 28-Aug-2021 14:06

Technofreak:

wellygary:

yeah, It’s becoming clear that health wont/cant tell us this info....

Not so much can't as won't I'd say. I think it's in the public interest for them to be released.

nah just flung into the too hard basket I reckon

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#2768082 28-Aug-2021 14:07

wellygary:

yeah, It’s becoming clear that health wont/cant tell us this info....

As a proxy, it’s promising that the locations of interest are now declining,

We should start to see some good movements on this next week as we pass two weeks since the lockdown ( they are dropping them after 14 days)

But we need to see the start of a steady decline in new daily case numbers.. although at 14 days we could start to see some of the active cases recovering :::

Agree. I meant to copy the ethnicity numbers before they updated but forgot, so I cannot tell how many Samoan people have been added as cases, as I feel all or almost all of the increase will be household cases growing from the Church outbreak. But more importantly, are not true CT cases. They are 70% of cases, while Asian and European are 10% each. So while that figure is high its obviously explainable, and unfortunate for them, and not their fault, but its skewing the reality of Auckland Covid spread that we are being fed by MoH/Govt. If say, the Samoan new cases are more than 12, then the 12 increase we see on yesterdays is basically false. Others will also be household cases from other ethnics, but again that's not the big number. CT is the big number, I have no idea if CT is increasing or deceasing.

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#2768083 28-Aug-2021 14:10

Technofreak:

I thought they were going to start releasing that info. As you say, in one situation we're doing well and in the other we are doing very poorly.

We got told Thursday that 44 cases are household cases, that then was commented by PMthat lockdown is working, so it seems that was just a political release

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#2768085 28-Aug-2021 14:14

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nah just flung into the too hard basket I reckon

Not too hard at all, they know where all cases are from, or are investigating, its all in their spreadsheets. What if they told us all the numbers we need to know and its all dropping (CT) then perhaps they worry that the plebs will revolt and start partying. Who knows. All I can tell you, that saying we have 82 cases means nothing, you cannot determine anything from that. Tomorrow we could get 68 cases, wow a decrease but it could be that household infection have all now been infected so they drop off, and CT rose sharply. But the 70 number means good news, it wouldn't. Thats the fallacy with these releases this time around.

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