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Oblivian
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  #2781735 21-Sep-2021 15:32
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networkn:

 

Are those new rules? (Genuine question, I haven't had a chance to look). The last time we went from L4 to L3, the queues outside of local Indian places, burger places, were all massive, and not many people wore masks or were socially distanced at all.

 

I am unsure how that would work for a lot of places if they can only deliver to your car.

 

 

That's his self imposed guide :)

 

The real ones, are mask up. And keep 2m away from others at all times.

 

But in the few cases I did, you would be paying. And have someone walk up behind you, maskless. And basically lean over your shoulder to look at the menu, or shout out asking if their order was ready to someone else they could see. Rather than give you said space.

 

That said, Doms have always offered car drop-off if you put details in.

 

McDonalds here have a sign up that no-one reads. Leave window up, roll it down to collect once we close ours sort of thing. Or they park you and drop it to a table alongside where you are meant to self collect once they leave.




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  #2781736 21-Sep-2021 15:33
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networkn:

 

tdgeek:

 

Now, yes, but takeaways are contactless. Stay in the car

 

 

Are those new rules? (Genuine question, I haven't had a chance to look). The last time we went from L4 to L3, the queues outside of local Indian places, burger places, were all massive, and not many people wore masks or were socially distanced at all.

 

I am unsure how that would work for a lot of places if they can only deliver to your car.

 

 

 

 

Has to be contactless. 2 metres would apply in a queue. Not allowed inside (I think). Last time the outlets setup pay/pickup tables IIRC. But delivery is easy these days thats far easier than drive and see a long queue. I did that this time with Pizza, texted when here, the boxes on the path, he waited till I opened the door


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  #2781737 21-Sep-2021 15:34
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I see they've increased the maximum fine to $12k. I doubt most people who commit these offences have $12k.

Perhaps public flogging would be a better deterrent...







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  #2781739 21-Sep-2021 15:37
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https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/covid-19-delta-outbreak-up-to-20-north-shore-hospital-staff-stood-down-after-contact-with-covid-positive-man-who-evaded-security/ 

 

I don't get it, is there any security or the screening who enters hospitals at level 4? or people supposed to act in the good faith and wait until allowed to come in?

 

what if he was a terrorist? 

 

yes he should be charged and punished, but so the hospital authorities and security. 

 

 





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  #2781742 21-Sep-2021 15:44
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yes he should be charged and punished, but so the hospital authorities and security. 


 



With what?

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  #2781746 21-Sep-2021 15:48
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Handle9:

With what?

 

breaking some sort of health and safety rules I guess.

 

Quote: The man bypassed the hospital's front-of-house screening processes while staff were assisting another person and hid from security staff before running into a lift.

 

People do get charged when bypass avia security screening or accessing area when not supposed to.





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  #2781747 21-Sep-2021 15:52
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kobiak:

Handle9:

With what?


breaking some sort of health and safety rules I guess.


Quote: The man bypassed the hospital's front-of-house screening processes while staff were assisting another person and hid from security staff before running into a lift.


People do get charged when bypass avia security screening or accessing area when not supposed to.



You want to charge the staff with some offence. What is it?

 
 
 

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  #2781751 21-Sep-2021 16:01
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Handle9:

You want to charge the staff with some offence. What is it?

 

absolutely. negligence. where the security stuff was? who was in charge of the protocols, and so on.

 

surely it's not military zone, but looks like no sense of security at all.





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  #2781752 21-Sep-2021 16:03
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A bit late to the party:

 

 

Penalties for breaches of COVID-19 orders are set to significantly increase from early November 2021 to better reflect the seriousness of any behaviour that threatens New Zealand’s response to the virus, COVID-19 Response Minister Chris Hipkins said today.

 

“Throughout this Delta outbreak we’ve seen the overwhelming majority of people doing their bit by complying with Alert Level restrictions, which are there to protect our communities by stopping the spread of COVID-19,” Chris Hipkins said. 

 

“Police continue to report high compliance levels at checkpoints and in their day-to-day interactions with people across the country.

 

“Disappointingly however a number of serious breaches have occurred, which seriously put at risk the good progress we’ve made  to stamp out Delta. I think all New Zealanders would agree that this behaviour is unacceptable.

 

“Rule breaking risks spreading the virus, and the fees which have been in place no longer properly reflect the significant social and economic impacts of a single case of COVID-19 getting out in the community.

 

“Breaches by a small minority create a risk for everyone, and these new penalties will provide further deterrence to those who choose to break the rules,” Chris Hipkins said.

 

The changes are:

 

  • The penalty for failing to comply with a COVID-19 requirement that has been specified as an infringement offence will increase to a maximum infringement fee of $4,000 (previously $300) or a $12,000 maximum court imposed fine, up from $1,000. Examples of infringement offences include failure to wear a face covering in places where it is mandatory.
  • A person who intentionally fails to comply with a COVID-19 order, thereby committing a criminal offence, is now liable on conviction for a fine of up to $12,000, up from $4,000, or six months imprisonment.That could include offences such as a person travelling without permission, or travelling for a purpose other than what was permitted, from an Alert Level 4 or 3 area to Alert Level 2.
  • A maximum infringement fee of $12,000 or maximum criminal offence fine of $15,000 has also been introduced for body corporates who fail to have systems and processes in place in accordance with the Health Order.

These changes will take effect in November, subject to the passing of the COVID-19 Public Health Response Amendment Bill. 

 





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  #2781754 21-Sep-2021 16:06
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kobiak:

 

Handle9:

You want to charge the staff with some offence. What is it?

 

absolutely. negligence. where the security stuff was? who was in charge of the protocols, and so on.

 

surely it's not military zone, but looks like no sense of security at all.

 

 

That is a dumb idea.


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  #2781762 21-Sep-2021 16:22
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Oblivian:

 

Fine. Go ahead. Charge forward. I also want my backdated payment for getting my jabs. As will my neighbor. As will my workmates. And for my flu jab next year too thanks. Or I may 'forget' to and wait till I'm in the last push.

 

 

Where I am the government is offering $100 for a first or second vaccination, entry to a million dollar lottery and chances to win travel prizes.

 

When I got vaccinated (in April and June) I didn't receive a cent. Am I demanding backdated payment? Of course not - this is truly a matter of life or death. People are dying. Horribly.

 

We're at just over 70% of the eligible fully vaccinated and over 80% with at least one shot, but there are still thousands of new cases every day, and the ICU's are full nearly to the point of triage protocols being introduced. There obviously needs to be a much higher percentage than this vaccinated.

 

NZ's got the opportunity - and the breathing room - to get that large percentage (90%) of the population vaccinated without the added pressure of covid spreading unchecked across the country and overwhelming hospitals. The last 10% is going to be the hardest.

 

I think enticing the vaccine hesitant, or those who just don't care, with money, prizes (or bourbon) is an idea worth trying.

 

Here, I'd be happy to see them try anything at all that gets more people vaccinated.
They're using sticks as well as carrots, you can't travel, or go into a bar or restaurant without a vaccine passport or negative test, but the expression “you get more flies with honey than with vinegar” seems to be accurate, at least for now.

 

 


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  #2781763 21-Sep-2021 16:24
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Penalties for breaches of COVID-19 orders are set to significantly increase from early November 2021 to better reflect the seriousness of any behaviour that threatens New Zealand’s response to the virus, COVID-19 Response Minister Chris Hipkins said today.

 

“Throughout this Delta outbreak we’ve seen the overwhelming majority of people doing their bit by complying with Alert Level restrictions, which are there to protect our communities by stopping the spread of COVID-19,” Chris Hipkins said. 

 

“Police continue to report high compliance levels at checkpoints and in their day-to-day interactions with people across the country.

 

“Disappointingly however a number of serious breaches have occurred, which seriously put at risk the good progress we’ve made  to stamp out Delta. I think all New Zealanders would agree that this behaviour is unacceptable.

 

“Rule breaking risks spreading the virus, and the fees which have been in place no longer properly reflect the significant social and economic impacts of a single case of COVID-19 getting out in the community.

 

“Breaches by a small minority create a risk for everyone, and these new penalties will provide further deterrence to those who choose to break the rules,” Chris Hipkins said.

 

The changes are:

 

  • The penalty for failing to comply with a COVID-19 requirement that has been specified as an infringement offence will increase to a maximum infringement fee of $4,000 (previously $300) or a $12,000 maximum court imposed fine, up from $1,000. Examples of infringement offences include failure to wear a face covering in places where it is mandatory.
  • A person who intentionally fails to comply with a COVID-19 order, thereby committing a criminal offence, is now liable on conviction for a fine of up to $12,000, up from $4,000, or six months imprisonment.That could include offences such as a person travelling without permission, or travelling for a purpose other than what was permitted, from an Alert Level 4 or 3 area to Alert Level 2.
  • A maximum infringement fee of $12,000 or maximum criminal offence fine of $15,000 has also been introduced for body corporates who fail to have systems and processes in place in accordance with the Health Order.

These changes will take effect in November, subject to the passing of the COVID-19 Public Health Response Amendment Bill. 

 

 

if they werent a deterrent before then raising them will also do nothing. Studies show that fines do nothing to make people follow covid rules. all they do is make the people who follow the rules feel better. i mean out of a population of 1.5 million you think only a dozen or so people broke level 4 rules. They were the people who got caught, there must be hundreds if not thousands who just ignored or broke level 4 rules and you would never no.





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  #2781766 21-Sep-2021 16:37
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Oblivian:

 

Sigh.

 

 

That highly original response must have just about exhausted your creative insult repository. What is it supposed to signify, anyway? That you are so superior and it is such an effort to respond to a lesser being? Gee, that must be taxing.

 

 





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  #2781767 21-Sep-2021 16:37
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Oblivian:

 

Fine. Go ahead. Charge forward. I also want my backdated payment for getting my jabs. As will my neighbor. As will my workmates. And for my flu jab next year too thanks. Or I may 'forget' to and wait till I'm in the last push.

 

 

Geekzone won't let me format this the way I want to so I have to do it this way. I'm sure you will get the gist of it, though you might find it challenging.

 

You seem to have a pretty low opinion of most people, or at least a certain segment of society. Maybe you are right. I don't know. I don't think so. My own opinion, just as unsubstantiated as yours, is that most people understand the importance of vaccination and are happy to put up with some people getting bribes to do something that enhances the welfare of all of us. 

 

 





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  #2781768 21-Sep-2021 16:37
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Oblivian:

 

Also, You realise that's the exact stand you take regarding upgrading hardware, software and devices, right?. 

 

 

Not sure what point you are trying to make or what any of this has to do with the subject being discussed. Or are you just trying to be obliquely insulting, as with the 'sigh' comment? 

 

 





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