2019 Novel Coronavirus Covid-19 Discussion

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#2792498 9-Oct-2021 23:04

sbiddle:
The full text of the Singapore PM's speech earlier is a good read for those who didn't watch it live.

https://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/health/protect-the-vulnerable-secure-singapores-future-full-text-of-pm-lees-speech-on

Nice to see straightforward information from the leadership.

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#2792530 9-Oct-2021 23:52

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sbiddle:

The full text of the Singapore PM's speech earlier is a good read for those who didn't watch it live.

https://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/health/protect-the-vulnerable-secure-singapores-future-full-text-of-pm-lees-speech-on

every word is spot on

It is something that has been missing from both NZs government and the opposition. That is a clear plan for the future, as well as highlighting the facts clearly. A big part of their 'living with covid' plan however is increasing health capacity which isn't something that NZs government has said too much about, and NZs health capacity is the number one problem. I previously suggested using hotels as places for covid cases to go who needed more support than just home based recovery,
and I note the Singapore looks like they are using isolation facilities for people who need a bit more help, to take the load off hospitals.

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#2792541 10-Oct-2021 00:26

Also anyone know about what is happening with boaster shots for all the older people who were vaccinated earlier on the year? Must be getting close to 5 months since many were vaccinated and these people are higher risk too.

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#2792594 10-Oct-2021 01:29

You did read this bit from the Singapore PM

Home recovery the default Covid-19 care arrangement, except for certain groups

That is why we are shifting to relying heavily on Home Recovery. It will be the norm for Covid-19 cases. You can get well in a familiar home setting, without the stress and bother of admitting yourself into a care facility. If most of us can recover at home, it will greatly ease the strain on our hospitals, doctors and nurses. It will free up badly needed beds for Covid-19 patients who are at high risk of becoming seriously ill, especially the elderly.

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#2792595 10-Oct-2021 01:38

Meanwhile, we will build up our healthcare facilities to be able to provide those seriously ill the medical care they need, especially oxygen support and ICU care. However, there is a limit to how much we can expand. We can build new care facilities and purchase new equipment, and we are doing so, but we cannot easily find more and more doctors and nurses to staff them. That is why we have to moderate the surge in Covid-19 cases.

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#2792597 10-Oct-2021 02:14

mattwnz: Also anyone know about what is happening with boaster shots for all the older people who were vaccinated earlier on the year? Must be getting close to 5 months since many were vaccinated and these people are higher risk too.

For someone who posts on this topic as much as you do I would have thought you would have been better informed. This has been done to death several times on here.

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#2792602 10-Oct-2021 06:23

Handle9:
mattwnz: Also anyone know about what is happening with boaster shots for all the older people who were vaccinated earlier on the year? Must be getting close to 5 months since many were vaccinated and these people are higher risk too.

For someone who posts on this topic as much as you do I would have thought you would have been better informed. This has been done to death several times on here.

Unless his name is Dr AB he wouldn't know. It's possible that even if his name is Dr AB he still doesn't know.

Not just older people but frontline health and support staff who were not left out in the April vaccination group.

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#2792605 10-Oct-2021 07:00

the morning stuff read https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/covid-19-coronavirus-delta-outbreak-auckland-border-too-loose-public-health-expert/OOUPSTN76A2NYCGVZ4JZOTEZNE/

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#2792606 10-Oct-2021 07:22

Batman:
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For someone who posts on this topic as much as you do I would have thought you would have been better informed. This has been done to death several times on here.

Unless his name is Dr AB he wouldn't know. It's possible that even if his name is Dr AB he still doesn't know.

Not just older people but frontline health and support staff who were not left out in the April vaccination group.

There has been plenty of publicity about both the Pfizer booster FDA approval and the NZ government strategy.

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#2792609 10-Oct-2021 07:52

Handle9:

There has been plenty of publicity about both the Pfizer booster FDA approval and the NZ government strategy.

the strategy of vagueness and make it up by the day? maybe i misssed it. i'm not aware of when we are starting pfizer boosters.

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#2792610 10-Oct-2021 08:19

Batman:
the morning stuff read https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/covid-19-coronavirus-delta-outbreak-auckland-border-too-loose-public-health-expert/OOUPSTN76A2NYCGVZ4JZOTEZNE/

I really do wonder how many of these university of Otago commentators would have the same commentary if they had been in lockdown for 8+ weeks.

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#2792611 10-Oct-2021 08:22

cokemaster: Re: @Batman, I don’t want to make this political but in the current climate (ministers have alluded to this), it would take intense conditions to emerge for widespread level 3 lockdowns. I would honestly be surprised if the government did a snap nationwide level 3 unless there was imminent information supporting that decision.

Northlands level 3 was an understandable reaction based on the alarming reality of not knowing the extent of exposure. I suspect there is a lot of turning over rocks happening as we speak to understand the extent and hopefully a glide path back to level 2 if conditions merit it.

Agree. Anywhere it spreads to will go to Level 3 on a location only basis. L4 and L3 do work, but the lower compliance means no zero cases, but as Auckland shows, there isnt any growth, its relatively stable. If there is a level of containment of exponential growth, that's a plus while vaccinations continue on

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#2792612 10-Oct-2021 08:32

mattwnz: I think there is a lot of fear, as people know that the risk to the health system is real. Some of the experts have said that it should be possible to keep it eliminated outside Auckland, so hopefully when cases pop up, they will get stamped out. As long as there aren't too many bad actors.

Im not sure if there is much fear. Many are probably blasé or ill informed or over Covid news. Those that are informed should see spread as inevitable, so they stay safe, they get vaccinated, and they keep an eye on things

As has been stated, home recovery is the health option, and most recover normally. For most, these isnt a need for 24/7 specialist care or even 24/7 standard care.

Bad actors, yes, that determines everything. Good actors contain spread, and the majority are, hence any particular location isn't doubling every 2 weeks.

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#2792613 10-Oct-2021 08:36

Handle9:

Cases aren’t stable. A week ago the 7 day rolling average was low 20s, now it’s around 35. The trend line is very clearly rising quite quickly.

Is that nationally or Auckland? I expect spread, we are getting that. But in any one location IMO its not blowing out. If its AKL, Waikato, Palmy etc, then yes, nationwide the trend is up, and if each location doubled cases every 2 weeks, then thats a problem, but it doesn't seem to be expanding at a high rate anywhere (at the moment)

As you said, its very definitely a race between infection and vaccination.

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#2792623 10-Oct-2021 09:12

tdgeek:

As you said, its very definitely a race between infection and vaccination.

But increase in vaccine coverage is linear and slowing, infection rates will go through a period of exponential growth.

I can't see the first shot / booked figure climbing fast enough unless we can put up with months of lockdowns (make that months more for Akl).

"Hesitant" and anti-vaxxers are setting the whole of NZ up for a tragedy, be that covid hospitalisations / deaths, killing the economy, general misery.

Selfish, ignorant, and either deliberately or stupidly sociopathic.

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