2019 Novel Coronavirus Covid-19 Discussion

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#2798138 20-Oct-2021 12:29

sen8or:

Its not hard to understand at all, your house, your prerogative, I just find it fascinating peoples appetite for risk is so different. In my scenario above, I'd simply insist on mask, gloves and basic health status, then if I felt compelled to do so, run through the glen20 (or whatever sanitiser I trust) where the tradesman was working.

Maybe its my risk management mentality coming out, everything in life is a risk, some you can eliminate, some you can minimise and others you have to manage with appropriate controls. Right now, in the south island, there is no COVID, will that situation change, absolutely 100% yes, but for now, I am happy to live in a "normal" way. If there was COVID in the community (as the case in Auckland / Waikato) then how I approach things would likely be different.

Totally agree, you need to make your own risk register as well.

If the rules are relaxed, read the situation and act accordingly, if it is a full indoor venue go to one that isn't. change the time or day you go somewhere if you can etc.

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#2798143 20-Oct-2021 12:59

Radio NZ - Man charged and taken into custody over breaching level 3 rules at Auckland event

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"A 63-year-old man has been charged in relation to an event at the Auckland Domain that breached the alert level 3 rules, and that was attended by Destiny Church leader Brian Tamaki."

Tamaki's birthday was 2 February 1958. 😉

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#2798145 20-Oct-2021 13:03

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Radio NZ - Man charged and taken into custody over breaching level 3 rules at Auckland event

breaking

"A 63-year-old man has been charged in relation to an event at the Auckland Domain that breached the alert level 3 rules, and that was attended by Destiny Church leader Brian Tamaki."

Tamaki's birthday was 2 February 1958. 😉

Stuff is being a little less 'wink, wink, nudge, nudge' about it:

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/300433941/covid19-police-charge-brian-tamaki-again-this-time-for-breaching-bail-conditions-stuff-understands

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#2798158 20-Oct-2021 13:36

Good job, now they should actually do something about him, rather than just letting him go to wail about "losing [his] freedoms". Self-righteous (and selfish) so-and-so.

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#2798168 20-Oct-2021 14:07

Breaching bail is actually a much larger problem for him that the actual charge,

Bail Conditions are imposed by the court, and judges take rather dim views of people flouting them....

I think he might be spending a few days in the pokie to "cool off", or they might low jack him with some corrections mandated jewellery on his ankle

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#2798169 20-Oct-2021 14:09

About another 200,000 people, who had not received a Covid vaccine, needed to come forward to be vaccinated for NZ to reach the 90 per cent mark, Hipkins said.

Given that 39,000 got the first jab on the vaxathon, the next 200,000 is a long long way off, so 90% will probably never be achieved

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#2798171 20-Oct-2021 14:14

I think bringing another Vaccine online ASAP is what they need to do.

I know of a few people waiting for Novavax (of which NZ has 5.3m courses on order) as it is a protein based vaccine rather than an mRNA. That's fine by me - whatever works. If they are scared of mRNA (for whatever reason) then so long as they get something in their arms, we all win.

Novavax may provide the last 'boost' they need to push NZ over the 90%.

As will the vaccine passport - there will still be a lot of people not realising what they won't be able to do without one.

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#2798174 20-Oct-2021 14:15

tdgeek:

About another 200,000 people, who had not received a Covid vaccine, needed to come forward to be vaccinated for NZ to reach the 90 per cent mark, Hipkins said.

Given that 39,000 got the first jab on the vaxathon, the next 200,000 is a long long way off, so 90% will probably never be achieved

Once there are significant numbers of people dying I imagine a good portion of those people will decide it's time to get it.

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#2798176 20-Oct-2021 14:18

trig42:

As will the vaccine passport - there will still be a lot of people not realising what they won't be able to do without one.

Yes, true that could be massive. Holdouts seem to be mainly in the 20-39 group, booze/entertainment/dining out will catch many

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#2798178 20-Oct-2021 14:20

cddt:

Once there are significant numbers of people dying I imagine a good portion of those people will decide it's time to get it.

As long as "unvaccinated" is front and centre of the daily news. I'm not even sure it is now, is it? Do we get told how many of todays X cases are vaccinated and unvaccinated?

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#2798180 20-Oct-2021 14:21

cddt:

tdgeek:

About another 200,000 people, who had not received a Covid vaccine, needed to come forward to be vaccinated for NZ to reach the 90 per cent mark, Hipkins said.

Given that 39,000 got the first jab on the vaxathon, the next 200,000 is a long long way off, so 90% will probably never be achieved

Once there are significant numbers of people dying I imagine a good portion of those people will decide it's time to get it.

That reminds me of a story where seriously ill people who were getting put on ventilation were then requesting the vaccination from the nurses. But it was then too late for them, some of who died. I am waiting for the hard hitting TV adverts. I suspect they will be coming. The current white and yellow covid adverts have had their dash. Basically you need 5 weeks from first jab, to 2 weeks after the second jab, to get full immunity.

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#2798181 20-Oct-2021 14:26

mattwnz:

That reminds me of a story where seriously ill people who were getting put on ventilation were then requesting the vaccination. But it was then too late for them, some of who died. I am waiting for the hard hitting TV adverts. I suspect they will be coming. The current covid adverts have had their dash.

Whats the vax rate for over 60's and with underlying conditions?

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#2798182 20-Oct-2021 14:27

See schools are reopening after labour weekend for some years. Was listening to one of the experts speaking to Hoskings, and he was saying Reopening schools is going to increase the paths of transmission that didn't exist under level 3 and 4. Schools are basically reservoirs for disease, and if you have kids you know that they will always bring something back to the home and then it spreads to workplaces from there. Also schools have been some of the biggest clusters in previous outbreaks. As we are now so close to the end of the year, I do wonder if if it is worth the extra cases it will cause.

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#2798185 20-Oct-2021 14:30

tdgeek:

mattwnz:

That reminds me of a story where seriously ill people who were getting put on ventilation were then requesting the vaccination. But it was then too late for them, some of who died. I am waiting for the hard hitting TV adverts. I suspect they will be coming. The current covid adverts have had their dash.

Whats the vax rate for over 60's and with underlying conditions?

Probably not high enough, I know a few people in that age group who haven't had it. But the current outbreak is mainly hitting younger people and demographics with lower vaccination rates. Age is probably one reason it hasn't resulted in a high number of hospitalizations yet, and it maybe giving people a false sense of security.

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#2798187 20-Oct-2021 14:38

trig42:

I think bringing another Vaccine online ASAP is what they need to do.

I know of a few people waiting for Novavax (of which NZ has 5.3m courses on order) as it is a protein based vaccine rather than an mRNA. That's fine by me - whatever works. If they are scared of mRNA (for whatever reason) then so long as they get something in their arms, we all win.

Novavax may provide the last 'boost' they need to push NZ over the 90%.

As will the vaccine passport - there will still be a lot of people not realising what they won't be able to do without one.

Problem is what happens when they find out it uses an adjuvant, and a lipid that they don't like.
Even 'you know who' is not assuring they would take it if offered, they would have to examine detail.

You just expended a lot of money and compromised your regulatory systems to fast track approval for nothing ? They can then say, see you do approve things with too little oversight and evidence.

Vaccine certificates and mandates, people may weigh up cost of waiting and move things with more urgency.
In some USA examples it seems the holdouts greatly reduces once leave and furlough runs out and its firing time, to less than 1 or 2%

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