2019 Novel Coronavirus Covid-19 Discussion

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#2805019 1-Nov-2021 07:26

Rose coloured glasses for their own household. Cant see past it so nothing's wrong.

Same as how they cant see past NZ borders so we're doing bad/there's nothing to worry about (aka nz media and the govt are just lying and treating us all bad)

Watch them catch up as soon as the flood gates are opened on the Akl population tap and starts widening the reach.

If they oppsied and said the waste water in a few district went positive as did a case being investigated, later to go oops.. got it wrong. Would probably bring 3 days of push needed.

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#2805021 1-Nov-2021 07:38

Oblivian:

If they oppsied and said the waste water in a few district went positive as did a case being investigated, later to go oops.. got it wrong. Would probably bring 3 days of push needed.

Yep, best way to get the most intelligent species to comply with vaccines is to make up a story to lead them to the trough. Unreal. Worse still, they get the first jab so are not really getting the protection they need now, for weeks. In other life things, people plan ahead!

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#2805024 1-Nov-2021 07:56

Also starting to think we've made a serious misstep with the communications around the Auckland border.

The idea that Auckland has to stay locked down because Covid is there and not where you are, plus then when Auckland is vaccinated they're going to be stuck because rest of NZ rates aren't high enough means there's no urgent call to action for the rest of NZ. Either way, it can be written off as an Auckland problem.

"The Aucklanders are coming, they might bring Covid with them even if they're vaccinated" at least puts a sense of urgency around it - given that there's a high likelihood this is going to be the end result either way.

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#2805025 1-Nov-2021 07:59

My body my choice Now where's my unknown content internet bought health pills, and what junk food for dinner...

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Not sure intelligence comes into it anymore :)

I keep getting mental images of the movie Idiocracy in my head. It has what plants need. But what do they need. Electrolytes.. and brawndo has that..

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#2805026 1-Nov-2021 08:07

Good grief people there is such poor attitude here. Good way to start and perpetuate an us and them attitude and its of no value to problem what so ever. Get a grip. I am out of this discussion.

Here is a crazy notion, lets give peace a chance.

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#2805028 1-Nov-2021 08:13

MileHighKiwi: It was very refreshing watching the rugby in Wales today. Despite the 'highest rate of covid in the UK' (2.5k per day), more than 71% of the population are vaccinated and 74,500 people packed into the stadium to support their team and sing their hearts out. Shots of people in the street going about their business.

I was then lucky enough to catch Man Utd beat Spurs in London in a full house.

Life goes on.

Makes me sadder for Aucklanders. 11 weeks of purgatory and conting, what a disaster.

All very well when they have this in place

https://www.premierleague.com/news/2207987

Do I need COVID-19 certification to attend a match?
Every fan over the age of 18 attending Premier League fixtures should be able to show their NHS COVID Pass or other proof of full vaccination, or a negative COVID test taken within the previous 48 hours – as close to matchday as possible, as a condition of entry.

All clubs will conduct spot checks and have the authority to refuse entry to the ground if a supporter does not provide the necessary COVID-19 status evidence.

Same in Italy. My family owns a resturant there and proof of full vax is required to eat there.

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#2805032 1-Nov-2021 08:22

The PM was on breakfast this morning. It sounds like we might get some more charts and statistics this afternoon for the modelling they are following

She agreed there was a balancing act between vaccination rate in holding everyone to ransom or rather saying moving to living with immediately is not on the cards

In time to say the certificates will be ready, trialing this month. if Auckland pulls a rabbit out of the hat and makes it before they expected they will have a form of certificate but they will be ready.

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#2805034 1-Nov-2021 08:32

MikeB4:
Good grief people there is such poor attitude here. Good way to start and perpetuate an us and them attitude and its of no value to problem what so ever. Get a grip. I am out of this discussion.

Sorry you feel that way about what I've been writing but it's how would even played out on TV this morning

the number weekend protests
The attitude of those in Auckland
The number of people going I'm not the cause of this I'm not holding things up
the number of people turning up after an outbreak saying I didn't think we needed it yet
the targets that we are still a way of meeting

2 years on reality is still not meeting expectation of these remaining figures that for us have been set so high, have exceeded Australian states and still holding

Short of martial law To mop the last of the population to ensure everyone has been vaccinated, the prime minister said it herself this morning

If the groups that put more effort into actually being the solution they wouldn't be protesting

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#2805035 1-Nov-2021 08:34

MikeB4:

Good grief people there is such poor attitude here. Good way to start and perpetuate an us and them attitude and its of no value to problem what so ever. Get a grip. I am out of this discussion.

That attitude started at the top last week

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#2805039 1-Nov-2021 08:44

tdgeek:

I just dont get why some areas or demographics are lagging so much, vaccine centres are everywhere

https://covid19map.co.nz/vaccination-rates/dhb/

The age data is a few days behind but people in their 20s are lagging... maybe if they were offered more Insta followers or something.

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#2805041 1-Nov-2021 08:45

GV27:
Also starting to think we've made a serious misstep with the communications around the Auckland border.

The idea that Auckland has to stay locked down because Covid is there and not where you are, plus then when Auckland is vaccinated they're going to be stuck because rest of NZ rates aren't high enough means there's no urgent call to action for the rest of NZ. Either way, it can be written off as an Auckland problem.

If you happened to see the quotes from those in chc that jumped the rates after our case. It was exactly that from the 2 they highlighted

The first was, I didn't expect to have a case here so soon
The other (retired in 50s group) along lines of wouldn't have unless she needed to go to akl, because it was basically only there.

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#2805042 1-Nov-2021 08:46

GV27:

Some days you look at being an MP in cabinet and think 'they've made a dumb decision, I would have done things differently' but this one is a legitimate head scratcher. There's no easy win here.

But it is a series of mis-steps and poor communication from the Government that has put them in this bind. Self inflicted IMO.

It didn't need to be this way and wasn't first time round. They seem to have completely forgotten all the good things they did then ie clear messaging and plans, go hard/go early etc.

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#2805046 1-Nov-2021 08:54

SJB:

GV27:

Some days you look at being an MP in cabinet and think 'they've made a dumb decision, I would have done things differently' but this one is a legitimate head scratcher. There's no easy win here.

But it is a series of mis-steps and poor communication from the Government that has put them in this bind. Self inflicted IMO.

It didn't need to be this way and wasn't first time round. They seem to have completely forgotten all the good things they did then ie clear messaging and plans, go hard/go early etc.

Id think after 18+ months the message would be well and truly known by the masses. Media coverage has been daily, there are no secrets, and daily people are told to get vaccinated. If there are alert levels, that's no secret. Some people this time around have chosen not to bother

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#2805052 1-Nov-2021 08:57

SJB:

But it is a series of mis-steps and poor communication from the Government that has put them in this bind. Self inflicted IMO.

It didn't need to be this way and wasn't first time round. They seem to have completely forgotten all the good things they did then ie clear messaging and plans, go hard/go early etc.

Over-Heard a video someone was watching from UK broadcasting last week looking at the NZ responce in the face of increased cases. They shed light that while AKL was still limited, as was the rest in some respect that the road had changed but not the mantra. With the 90% target still being lumped into the 'go hard' bin. While the 1 case was still 'early'

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#2805056 1-Nov-2021 09:08

tdgeek:

Id think after 18+ months the message would be well and truly known by the masses. Media coverage has been daily, there are no secrets, and daily people are told to get vaccinated. If there are alert levels, that's no secret. Some people this time around have chosen not to bother

Yup, and many of the vaccinated and compliant are starting to wonder what over the next month is going to change that, and why our lives should be on hold so they can dither and possibly still leave us in the lurch.

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