2019 Novel Coronavirus Covid-19 Discussion

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#2805843 2-Nov-2021 08:05

I don't think it would be a good idea to give out too much detail with any plans that are loosely laid out. Too much potential for devious minds to go to work and attempt to derail things. Most of us just want a good outcome as fast as we can get there. Strangely not everyone does.

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#2805851 2-Nov-2021 08:29

I've been pondering why Auckland has to wait another week.

The only thing that is likely to happen in that time is that CMDHB should reach 90% first doses.

Maybe that's the milestone they are waiting for without saying so.

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#2805904 2-Nov-2021 08:42

Oblivian:

And people interviewed yesterday were all keen for cafe visits. I did head scratched that the reporter didn't break the news/correct them.

You simply can't blame anybody for being confused about the level 3 stages system. It's a complete shambles.

I mean who would design a system for L3 where the where step 1 is the toughest and step 3 is the lightest restrictions when it sits on top of an alert level system we've had for 20 months now that works the opposite way with the higher number having the most restrictions and the smaller number the least restrictions?

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#2805906 2-Nov-2021 08:47

Accidentially posted the below in the "how covid-19 applies to you personally thread":

For those talking about paper vaccination certificates:

I requested mine 10pm October 26th, and received today (1/11) at 1:52pm via email. 6 calendar days.

Well under guidance time, but still long enough that that it would cause friction if we rolled out a paper based vaccine cert system. (given the delay it seems not to be automated, so I suspect the process wouldn't scale well to millions of requests). Also it's a paper letter (in pdf format) - Would be pretty simple to counterfeit if one wanted to.

I don't think we will see any vaccine proof requirements by the government (outside of employment) before the digital, verifiable system is up and running.

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With regards to today's announcement we seem to be gently moving to a "let it rip" approach (while trying to avoid hospital overload).

We had to go that way at some point, and now is objectively not bad timing. We have already brought enough time to get the country highly vaccinated, and to get us to summer where hospital loads are typically lower. Also we have new treatments & vaccinations for 5 -11 likely before the end of the year.

The biggest surprise to me was the move of Waikato to step 2 before Auckland. Auckland has checkpoints at it's borders and some of the best vaccination rates in the country. Waikato doesn't.

Both locations have outbreaks that are growing, relaxing restrictions in the Waikato is likely to result in further case growth, and increased odds of spreading across the north island excl north land (given the lack of enforced borders). - Means the government is not partially concerned about the virus moving to other area's.

Comments advising people not to expect the Auckland border to remain long term were also made. - adding further to my understanding of the move to the let it rip / living with the virus approach.

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In terms of the move to Alert level 2, Step 2 it will be interesting to see how this goes.

Malls: - Based on previous moves down to level 2, these will be absolutely nuts on weekend's - could be even busier now due to the proximity to Christmas. Some stores run capacity limits and have queues at the door, which further increases the number of people in the common indoor area. My local mall is Westfeild New market - could well have 3000+ people milling around indoors on weekends (no way of staying 2m from others) and we have already been involved in two locations of interest at that location.
- The availability of con tactless food and drink, but closure of food court & restaurant seating will inevitable lead to people walking unmasked while eating their snack / lunch.
Museums - basically the same as above - being one of the few activities open for kids, it will get slammed, especially when it rains or weekends. - Local is the Auckland war memorial museum - also went in prior level 2 - I wouldn't be surprised if their were over 1000 people their at a time. - again way too many people to realistically stay distanced.
Consistency issues -
- Can have thousands of people indoors in the mall / museum, but can't have outdoor dining by restaurants
- Can have thousands of people indoors in the mall / museum, but not allowed to have a close family friend over for dinner (unless you have a suitable outdoor space)
- [edit]- as mentioned by others - can have thousands of people a day using a public toilet at the playground / Mall, but can't invite a close friend to use your toilet while having a BBQ on the deck.

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#2805909 2-Nov-2021 08:50

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#2805926 2-Nov-2021 09:16

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Welcome to page #2000 of a thread that started like many others...

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#2805935 2-Nov-2021 09:25

2000 pages! And to think, not that long ago COVID wasn't even a subject.

The effect on everyday life (including things like behaviour, language, topics of conversation, attitudes to other humans etc) has been astounding.

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#2805943 2-Nov-2021 09:59

Has there been such a polarizing topic / event in recent NZ history? I guess the 81 springbok tour would maybe come closest but that was before the time of social media so I'd hate to imagine what that would look like now. But we now have some fairly clear and wide divisions being established and much of it fueled by mainstream media (vilify / ostracize those that don't conform to the message) and NZ is certainly not exempt from being dragged into political agendas (where once we were more neutral with slight shades or red/blue, it now is far more us/them with a shrinking middle ground).

I can only hope that we learn to live with Covid soon, that those that can be protected are and that the rifts that have been created are soon lessened by calm and rational thinking / actions.

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#2805948 2-Nov-2021 10:22

sen8or:

I can only hope that we learn to live with Covid soon, that those that can be protected are and that the rifts that have been created are soon lessened by calm and rational thinking / actions.

Easy. Ban social media.

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#2805953 2-Nov-2021 10:26

which would include geekzone.........

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#2805954 2-Nov-2021 10:27

sen8or:

Has there been such a polarizing topic / event in recent NZ history? I guess the 81 springbok tour would maybe come closest but that was before the time of social media so I'd hate to imagine what that would look like now. But we now have some fairly clear and wide divisions being established and much of it fueled by mainstream media (vilify / ostracize those that don't conform to the message) and NZ is certainly not exempt from being dragged into political agendas (where once we were more neutral with slight shades or red/blue, it now is far more us/them with a shrinking middle ground).

I can only hope that we learn to live with Covid soon, that those that can be protected are and that the rifts that have been created are soon lessened by calm and rational thinking / actions.

Here in GZ, most certainly. Its all political and polarising, not about Covid anymore. Armchair experts

Media? They report the issues, flouters, and experts who want to open up now and those experts that say it will be doomsday, and why some areas are low vaccinated so therefore newsworthy/clickworthy on many fronts

General public? AKL wants freedom, elsewhere just getting on with life, so will AKL soon, many follow the rules and many don't care, but the latter aren't as important as all the other complaints. General public are no where near as interested in Covid as this thread is.

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#2805955 2-Nov-2021 10:27

sbiddle:

Cafes and restaurants can't open next week, only bricks and mortar retail stores.

I'm really not sure what "preparations" are needed.. Most shops could open immediately, and if you can't then what is the issue? It's only the shop that's going to be affected.

Big retail here... our stores are full of click & collect orders being stored up and down all our aisles because we don't have space back of house. There are hundreds/thousands of orders waiting collection by customers in every single one of our Auckland stores. The week will just give us enough time to clear through these: call people to pick them up/send them out for delivery/cancel orders and put product back on shelf. We physically could not open and have customers inside because there's no space for them.

Also it endlessly surprises me that people whinge about having to wait for their click & collect to be ready but then just don't bother to ever pick it up?

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#2805967 2-Nov-2021 10:54

antonknee:

Big retail here... our stores are full of click & collect orders being stored up and down all our aisles because we don't have space back of house. There are hundreds/thousands of orders waiting collection by customers in every single one of our Auckland stores. The week will just give us enough time to clear through these: call people to pick them up/send them out for delivery/cancel orders and put product back on shelf. We physically could not open and have customers inside because there's no space for them.

not trying to be mean here but that is a you problem, if the AL changed today you would do what needed to be done to open as soon as you could. I would suggest there are a lot more businesses that could open tomorrow than those in your position.

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#2806032 2-Nov-2021 11:21

It's had a profound affect on my profession and I assume, many other white collar professions as well.

For years the extent of mental health considerations at work was the odd 'resilience' workshop or webinar. When push came to shove, many companies have been found wanting.

I'm also expecting a rapid walk-back in WFH once life returns to normal in NZ, even though we've proven that a huge chunk of jobs out there don't need costly and time-consuming commutes.

And there will be major, major repercussions from the inflation that I feel will persist a lot longer than anyone is prepared to admit. We have house prices +30%, fuel up, household goods up, but there are few employers planning on giving pay rises anywhere near annualised inflation. Great for those who can roll the dice and go hunting for a job in a hot market, bad for anyone who has to stay put.

There's another aspect though - we may see a big influx of returning ex-pats. Good, in that they won't work for the crappy wages we tend to offer and it may drag the market up, but bad because we could see an over-supply in areas where wages have long struggled to move meaningfully as they somehow ended up on the skilled shortages list pre-pandemic - think finance, accounting, sales.

In short, the biggest disruption from the pandemic is possibly almost behind us, but expect an extremely long, nation-changing tail.

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#2806066 2-Nov-2021 12:27

An important milestone:

The Washington Post - Covid-19 live updates - Vaccination program for children 5 to 11 will be in full swing Nov. 8

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The government’s vaccination program for children ages 5 to 11 will be fully running Nov. 8, said Jeff Zients, the White House coronavirus coordinator, at a news conference Monday.

The announcement comes just days after the Food and Drug Administration authorized coronavirus vaccines for U.S. children ages 5 to 11 on Friday.

About 28 million children ages 5 to 11 are eligible for the shots.

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