2019 Novel Coronavirus Covid-19 Discussion

Forums › Health and fitness › 2019 Novel Coronavirus Covid-19 Discussion

1 | ... | 2011 | 2012 | 2013 | 2014 | 2015 | 2016 | 2017 | 2018 | 2019 | 2020 | 2021 | ... | 2429

8812 posts

Uber Geek
+1 received by user: 5290

#2807597 4-Nov-2021 16:50

ezbee:

""
The percentage of the German population fully vaccinated against Covid-19 has in effect flatlined for the last month at 66%, a lower rate than in other western European states such as France, Italy, Spain and the UK.
""

Also western European countries have an overall advantage over places like NZ, as they have a much older population skew (Germany and others are <20% pop under 20, NZ is 25%)

Batman

Mad Scientist
30014 posts

Uber Geek
+1 received by user: 6217

Trusted

Lifetime subscriber

#2807607 4-Nov-2021 16:59

robbyp:

Isn't that is like saying any death in NZ could possibly be a late covid vax reaction until it is investigated. I think it is just feeding the anti-vaxers. I am just wondering why the media are questioning it in the first place.

any death could be anything. it could be drinking milk.

we don't think about death from milk, as I don't think about the vaccine, but to completely rule something out is not possible, as it is not possible to conclude something from a news headline.

life is not black and white!

DonH

231 posts

Master Geek
+1 received by user: 158

Lifetime subscriber

#2807624 4-Nov-2021 17:28

The person had Covid-19. They were much more likely to have Covid if they were unvaccinated. The MOH would know their vaccination status. So if the MOH says their death was not vaccine related, they likely weren't (vaccinated).

People hear what they see. - Doris Day

tdgeek

30048 posts

Uber Geek
+1 received by user: 9455

Trusted

Lifetime subscriber

#2807649 4-Nov-2021 18:31

Batman:

maybe we're not strict enough like NSW.

seems like the keys are - fresh & Pfizer vaccine. keep thinking how come NSW open up and cases dropping whereas other places open up and get exponential rise in cases.

their population are freshly vaccinated, and with the Pfizer jab. and now they're giving Pfizer booster.

VIC, or maybe greater Melbourne opened up on a record case day

tdgeek

30048 posts

Uber Geek
+1 received by user: 9455

Trusted

Lifetime subscriber

#2807653 4-Nov-2021 18:33

DonH:

The person had Covid-19. They were much more likely to have Covid if they were unvaccinated. The MOH would know their vaccination status. So if the MOH says their death was not vaccine related, they likely weren't (vaccinated).

Or the vaccine was a while back

Reanalyse

398 posts

Ultimate Geek
+1 received by user: 311

#2807673 4-Nov-2021 20:26

tdgeek:

DonH:

The person had Covid-19. They were much more likely to have Covid if they were unvaccinated. The MOH would know their vaccination status. So if the MOH says their death was not vaccine related, they likely weren't (vaccinated).

Or the vaccine was a while back

Its a bit sad that a lot of the time the COVID-19 information flow is so poor it leads to speculation. And that makes it easier for those who would resist vaccination.

I know privacy considerations are used as an reason, but there seems to be a lot of unneccesary vagueness in what we are told.

Geekzone support

Support Geekzone with one-off or recurring donations Donate via PressPatron.

mattwnz

20515 posts

Uber Geek
+1 received by user: 4795

#2807706 4-Nov-2021 20:45

^^. This has been an ongoing problem. The fact that they are not cutting back the press conferences makes it even more difficult for the media to extract this information from them during question time. Imo they should be fronting everyday while parts of the country are in lockdown.

quickymart

14940 posts

Uber Geek
+1 received by user: 13954

ID Verified

#2807721 4-Nov-2021 21:48

A relative of mine is not anti-vaxx, but she says she would rather get the Jansen (I think Johnson & Johnson) vaccine rather than Pfizer. When I asked her why she paused and said it was due to the MRNA in the Pfizer one. Another relative used to run a chemist for many years, so he's quite clued-up on medicines (although he is not a doctor), and she says he explained the differences between them to her.

As an aside, I told her to ignore the bs from groups like Voices for Freedom; she is fully aware of them and does not pay any attention to them.

While I'm pleased she's not anti-vaxx, should I be concerned at what her concerns are? I worry about her as she is over 60 and while her health is okay, she could be at risk if she got the virus. She said she's going to wait until the latter becomes available. Apparently the J&J one (which I believe is non-MRNA) has been approved, but it's not offered here, right? I told her to talk to her GP to see what they could do for her.

Batman

Mad Scientist
30014 posts

Uber Geek
+1 received by user: 6217

Trusted

Lifetime subscriber

#2807723 4-Nov-2021 21:52

you should be concerned. first you are welcomed into the cult, then you become a disciple.

Oblivian

7345 posts

Uber Geek
+1 received by user: 2117

ID Verified

#2807724 4-Nov-2021 21:55

Depends. Find out what in the mRNA has put that idea in. If it's a slight tangent to do with Ribose nucleic as in DNA. Well...

ezbee

2655 posts

Uber Geek
+1 received by user: 3094

#2807781 4-Nov-2021 22:21

quickymart:

A relative of mine is not anti-vaxx, but she says she would rather get the Jansen (I think Johnson & Johnson) vaccine rather than Pfizer. When I asked her why she paused and said it was due to the MRNA in the Pfizer one. Another relative used to run a chemist for many years, so he's quite clued-up on medicines (although he is not a doctor), and she says he explained the differences between them to her.

As an aside, I told her to ignore the bs from groups like Voices for Freedom; she is fully aware of them and does not pay any attention to them.

While I'm pleased she's not anti-vaxx, should I be concerned at what her concerns are? I worry about her as she is over 60 and while her health is okay, she could be at risk if she got the virus. She said she's going to wait until the latter becomes available. Apparently the J&J one (which I believe is non-MRNA) has been approved, but it's not offered here, right? I told her to talk to her GP to see what they could do for her.

quickymart

Get her to talk to her doctor urgently.
A registered currently practicing one, not rando on internet.

Waiting for J&J in New Zealand is not too far from being antivax as there is no timing for us to use, and may never.

Pfizer is a very good vaccine with very good safety profile having had data from large trial and now over a billion doses world wide.
Over 6 million doses here, with the most frail in nursing homes vaccinated first at start of year.
Approved by leading countries world wide.

The safety profile for SARS-Cov2 / Covid-19 for someone 60 years old is terrible.

Dyson

Shop now for Dyson appliances (affiliate link).

Scott3

4177 posts

Uber Geek
+1 received by user: 2990

Trusted

Lifetime subscriber

#2807789 4-Nov-2021 23:34

Encouraging her to get advice from her GP is a good move. As with the other poster this is fairly urgent. We have covid-19 in NZ, and it is well known that it is common for older people to get hit hard by the virus.

Ministry of health web page says the following on J+J:

Medsafe has granted provisional approval of the Janssen vaccine, but provisional approval does not mean that we have committed to using the Janssen vaccine in New Zealand.

So while we have 2 million doses on order, we might donate them offshore immediately, rather than using them in NZ. So could be waiting for ever.

Aside from not being available J+J being a single dose vaccine is a lot less effective then the likes of Pfizer. Opting for Just a single dose of J+J would give a lot less protection.

In many markets, it was recommended that anybody who has had J+J get a second dose of another brand like Pfizer to get higher effectiveness.

Scott3

4177 posts

Uber Geek
+1 received by user: 2990

Trusted

Lifetime subscriber

#2807792 4-Nov-2021 23:49

freitasm:

Scott3:

Novavax application to Medsafe filed:

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/health/coronavirus/126884622/covid19-novavax-applies-to-medsafe-for-vaccine-use-in-new-zealand

If approved those idiots that claim to be waiting for this will just find another lame excuse.

It's a real pity that the Novavax covid-19 vaccine is linked so strongly to the antivax / vaccine hesitant. (but based on the antivax cormomandal mayor, who was waiting for Novavax, but wouldn't commit to getting it when it was available you are probiably right)

It has done extremely well in trails, preforming in the same ballpark as the mrna vaccines, but without the challenging storage requirements, making it better for developing nations.

Globally the expected production capacity for 150M doses a month by the end of the year is badly needed to get vaccine into places like the Philippines & Africa that have so far struggled to secure supplies.

And this vaccine still remains the dark horse of covid-19 vaccines in that it has greater potential to stop transmission than other vaccines (It was the only vaccine to stop the growth of covid-19 in the noses or primates in eairly trials). If this is proven for humans (will need to be done in the real world as trials aren't designed to test that), its availability will have a massive impact for area's seeking herd immunity.

Batman

Mad Scientist
30014 posts

Uber Geek
+1 received by user: 6217

Trusted

Lifetime subscriber

#2807806 5-Nov-2021 07:10

Minister and gang leaders unite https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/nov/03/new-zealand-vaccines-gang-leaders-unite-covid-shots

sbiddle

30853 posts

Uber Geek
+1 received by user: 9996

Retired Mod

Trusted

Biddle Corp

Lifetime subscriber

#2807807 5-Nov-2021 07:12

JPNZ:

Reading between the lines the whole country could be in the traffic light system after the announcement on the 27th Nov.

Regardless of Auckland's DHB's

There is nothing I've read or heard anywhere that would suggest that is about to happen.

BUT if the whole country did move to the traffic light system at the same time it will mean Auckland's borders will go (or at least that's what was said several weeks ago). If that goes it poses the question of what colour each part of the country will start in.

1 | ... | 2011 | 2012 | 2013 | 2014 | 2015 | 2016 | 2017 | 2018 | 2019 | 2020 | 2021 | ... | 2429