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#2813528 15-Nov-2021 20:50

alasta: This page would seem to indicate that indoor and outdoor events can go ahead in the orange setting without headcount limits.

In the red setting there appears to be a headcount limit of 100 which would mean that events would have to be cancelled, but the government backed event insurance scheme means that event organisers won't need to announce cancellations until it becomes clear that they will be affected by the red traffic light at the time of their event.

Chosen certificate controlled events. Good luck with Open invite Public ones lining the streets with no fencing. Like fireworks or Christmas parade.

These places will not be able to operate without a vaccine certificate requirement:

events (indoor/outdoor)

Green no cert has 100 limit also.

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#2813532 15-Nov-2021 20:58

ezbee:

Northland where your ICU may have sewage running through the walls.
At least it saves on heating in the winter ?

While its a false equivalence ?, its interesting the effort put into Hundertwasser Art Centre.

Maybe a new Hunttervasser architecture style Hospital would have been a greater asset ?
Its bright and whimsical look and role of tourist attraction may have been a better thing for whole community.

Hunttervasser community housing would have been great too, I think he did some designs for housing developments ?

A lot of depravation, low vaccination rates for everything, high rates of health issues, childhood heart damage and such.
Long distances, poorly maintained roads, and one lane bridges for ambulances to navigate.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/covid-19-delta-outbreak-rotorua-taupo-a-disaster-waiting-to-happen-with-four-icu-beds-for-population-of-116000/TDRBPCBXOIJUTAYB5K3GV6GR6A/

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#2813555 15-Nov-2021 22:02

Guys,

We need remember that Aucklanders are not the enemy. Complacency is.
Complacency on multiple fronts (including the government) is responsible for the situation we are in.

Aucklanders are hurting. They've endured lockdown conditions for months now.
Our children are suffering from remote learning conditions and social isolation. The effects of which are going to ripple through our childrens learning for years to come.
Our mental health and livelihoods have been pushed well beyond what the rest of the country is experiencing.
You cannot expect Aucklanders to endure this forever.
Demonising Aucklanders are only going to push Aucklanders towards unsavoury groups who are somewhat more militant.

Its easy to blame Aucklanders and compliance, but remember this: the government has the tools and resources to plan and execute a proper response. Complacency has impacted all levels of New Zealand, especially those who should have been at the forefront of preparing for future Covid outbreaks. The best thing non-Aucklanders can do right now is vaccinate. Don't put it off.

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#2813557 15-Nov-2021 22:07

As above. It's time to stop thinking about Auckland and think on why other regions aren't vaccinating fast enough?

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#2813558 15-Nov-2021 22:09

GV27:

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/covid-19-delta-outbreak-no-jab-but-paid-special-leave-for-up-to-a-month-if-vaccine-refused/G6QGTW7I6R72ED447V56ULECEQ/

In keeping with the 'things we predicted' theme:

Staff at a public agency who refuse to get vaccinated could be put on paid special leave for up to a month.

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"Staff members who opt to not be vaccinated are likely to be either placed on alternative duties or on paid special leave while Oranga Tamariki works through the implications for the individual staff member's ongoing employment," Aiono added.

A staff member is likely to be placed on paid special leave for "generally up to one month, and after that may be placed on leave without pay", Aiono said.

Someone ask Auckland taxpayers who have been living off the wage subsidy at times what they think of this. My gut feel is that they may not be that sympathetic.

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#2813559 15-Nov-2021 22:10

freitasm:

As above. It's time to stop thinking about Auckland and think on why other regions aren't vaccinating fast enough?

i think it's because they are open, free, and not in lockdown

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#2813562 15-Nov-2021 22:18

cokemaster:

Guys,

We need remember that Aucklanders are not the enemy. Complacency is.
Complacency on multiple fronts (including the government) is responsible for the situation we are in.

Aucklanders are hurting. They've endured lockdown conditions for months now.
Our children are suffering from remote learning conditions and social isolation. The effects of which are going to ripple through our childrens learning for years to come.
Our mental health and livelihoods have been pushed well beyond what the rest of the country is experiencing.
You cannot expect Aucklanders to endure this forever.
Demonising Aucklanders are only going to push Aucklanders towards unsavoury groups who are somewhat more militant.

Its easy to blame Aucklanders and compliance, but remember this: the government has the tools and resources to plan and execute a proper response. Complacency has impacted all levels of New Zealand, especially those who should have been at the forefront of preparing for future Covid outbreaks. The best thing non-Aucklanders can do right now is vaccinate. Don't put it off.

I couldn't agree more. First it was expats fault, then "ethnic groups" (i.e. Maori) and now it's Aucklanders.

This situation is no-ones fault, it's a pandemic. There are no good solutions, only a variety of horrible ones.

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#2813569 15-Nov-2021 22:54

freitasm:
As above. It's time to stop thinking about Auckland and think on why other regions aren't vaccinating fast enough?

Wellington first place in NZ to get to the 90% double vaccinated milestone. Showing how it should be done. Likely we will get some cases this week based on the Wairarapa gathering and concerns the MOH have over it.

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#2813574 16-Nov-2021 00:26

It is such a pity that the recent weeks have seen so much division over vaccination statistics between regions, ethnic groups etc. Not wanting to leave regions behind when it came to vaccination numbers, quickly became regions holding us back...

Quite at odds with the be kind rhetoric from earlier in the pandemic.

And kinda pointless too, now that there is a high probability that the targets will be abandoned, and the whole country will move to the protection framework at the end of the month.

In some way's I think it might be a lot kinder to just mandate vaccination for every eligible (and not medically exempt) person in physically in New Zealand. Avoid's communities being left behind, avoids issues with workplace mandates driving some to unemployment, and avoids NZ businesses needing to be the enforcer of vaccine mandate system. And of course would be great for overall community health, and economic performance.

Aware of the ethical issues, but really that is looking like the lesser evil right now...

In more positive news:

Vaccinations:

4,645 first vaccine first doses delivered on sunday (up from 3,283 the prior sunday). Could be due to the Mandates that kick in Tuesday, suggestions of the protection framework kicking in before targets are met, or driven by news of regional spread of the virus. Regardless, more doses is good news.

Daily case numbers:

Curve is still showing an extended concave down period on the log scale. This means a reducing reproduction number, which is great news.

Obviously the last couple of days are weekends, and impacts of opening Auckland retail, and the soon to open schools won't yet be hitting the numbers.

Would be interesting to strip out just the Auckland numbers - I think the city would have a reproduction number below one at the moment.

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#2813575 16-Nov-2021 01:32

Scott3:

Curve is still showing an extended concave down period on the log scale. This means a reducing reproduction number, which is great news.

Obviously the last couple of days are weekends, and impacts of opening Auckland retail, and the soon to open schools won't yet be hitting the numbers.

Would be interesting to strip out just the Auckland numbers - I think the city would have a reproduction number below one at the moment.

I don't think the official daily case numbers are that accurate in Auckland now, because I suspect the real case numbers are a lot higher as lot of people are probably aren't getting tested, and may only seek attention if they need help. 2.5% of people tested positive on Sunday (190ish positive from just 7800 tests) , when it should be closer to 1%. So as a sample, a far higher percentage are now testing positive, and I wonder if that is because more of these people are going because they have symptoms, rather than just being a potential contact in a POI. Especially as the MOH are now not publishing all Auckland POIs. I think the government are also waiting to see how opening retail and schools are going to affect the numbers. It does feel experimental.

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#2813576 16-Nov-2021 02:52

mattwnz:
freitasm:

As above. It's time to stop thinking about Auckland and think on why other regions aren't vaccinating fast enough?

Wellington first place in NZ to get to the 90% double vaccinated milestone. Showing how it should be done. Likely we will get some cases this week based on the Wairarapa gathering and concerns the MOH have over it.

Perhaps these figures are out of date, but I don't think any DHB is quite there yet (unless you're referring to some sub-DHB sized regions).

https://www.health.govt.nz/our-work/diseases-and-conditions/covid-19-novel-coronavirus/covid-19-data-and-statistics/covid-19-vaccine-data#90pct

Meanwhile our overall vaccination rate has fallen quite a way from where it was in August through to late October.
https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/daily-covid-vaccination-doses-per-capita?country=NZL~AUS~USA~GBR~CAN~JPN~PRT~ESP~DNK~NOR~ISR

The next few percent might take a long time.

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#2813581 16-Nov-2021 06:26

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#2813582 16-Nov-2021 06:45

mattwnz:
freitasm:

As above. It's time to stop thinking about Auckland and think on why other regions aren't vaccinating fast enough?

Wellington first place in NZ to get to the 90% double vaccinated milestone. Showing how it should be done. Likely we will get some cases this week based on the Wairarapa gathering and concerns the MOH have over it.

Wellington has always been extremely good at looking out for Wellington, I'll give you that 🤣

I think realistically though Wellington has been outrageously lucky on a number of occasions with Covid, it remains to be seen if they would have still been that lucky if they had taken up more of the MIQ load.

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#2813584 16-Nov-2021 06:49

ezbee:

A lot of depravation, low vaccination rates for everything, high rates of health issues, childhood heart damage and such.

There's probably a lot of people in Northland whose minds have been permanently altered for various reasons - but calling them depraved is going a bit far IMO.

Sometimes I just sit and think. Other times I just sit.

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#2813586 16-Nov-2021 06:53

cokemaster:

Its easy to blame Aucklanders and compliance, but remember this: the government has the tools and resources to plan and execute a proper response. Complacency has impacted all levels of New Zealand, especially those who should have been at the forefront of preparing for future Covid outbreaks. The best thing non-Aucklanders can do right now is vaccinate. Don't put it off.

Agreed, and there's probably many Aucklanders who are about to get their first taste of life outside Auckland for months, who are going to travel to other regions and in all likelihood, be more compliant with the rules than some of the locals are.

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