2019 Novel Coronavirus Covid-19 Discussion

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#2821246 29-Nov-2021 21:01

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When people travel from Red Zone to Orange Zone, do they follow the rules of the location or where they came from?

in Practice that's impossible now,

Example, with a vax pass Hospo at Orange has no limits and no distancing, At Red its 100 ppl @1 metre...

I don't think you will have much luck telling everyone not to sit next to you and that the 101th person needs to leave.

Same for things like movies, no distance or caps at Orange, Red is 100ppl @1m

Pretty much.

Going to the protection framework, pretty much gets rid of personal behavior requirements (beyond mask wearing and some stuff around organizing gatherings), and moved the onus onto businesses. Without being personally obligated to do stuff (beyond the above), hard to take your colour with you.

That said, I imagine the phones will be running hot at the liked of coromandel wedding venues. The eaisist option if the 100 person cap in Auckland isn't enough...

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#2821247 29-Nov-2021 21:03

Geektastic:

No, can't do it. It says it has calculated when my booster is due (24 December since the second one was 24 June) but then gives me appointments before that (from tomorrow) and none from that date or after that date .....!

If I click on any of the ones it offers the Continue button remains non functional.

That's because the Masterton Centre only takes bookings for 1 - 7 days ahead. If you select any of the other timeframes on the side of the map the Centre does not appear indicating appointments are not available.

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#2821248 29-Nov-2021 21:06

cshwone:

Geektastic:

No, can't do it. It says it has calculated when my booster is due (24 December since the second one was 24 June) but then gives me appointments before that (from tomorrow) and none from that date or after that date .....!

If I click on any of the ones it offers the Continue button remains non functional.

That's because the Masterton Centre only takes bookings for 1 - 7 days ahead. If you select any of the other timeframes on the side of the map the Centre does not appear indicating appointments are not available.

However even if I click on the available appointments within 1-7 days which it offers me it still remains greyed out. If I can't have those appointments because 6 months has not elapsed why does it then offer me the choice of them and then refuse to let me have one?

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#2821261 29-Nov-2021 21:35

Geektastic:

However even if I click on the available appointments within 1-7 days which it offers me it still remains greyed out. If I can't have those appointments because 6 months has not elapsed why does it then offer me the choice of them and then refuse to let me have one?

really? time to move on from this line of conversation, your not due for a month, wait till your a week out and book if your must, or just turn up to a walk in center.

Im just going to go to the local drive through and get mine.

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#2821262 29-Nov-2021 21:36

At this point I'd be ringing a Masterton vaccination centre or dropping past when in town next..
I suspect they can sort you a walkup/ manual booking.

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#2821264 29-Nov-2021 21:50

JPNZ:

The following areas will enter the framework at red:

Northland, Auckland, Taupō and Rotorua Lakes Districts, Kawerau, Whakatane, Ōpōtiki Districts, Gisborne District, Wairoa District, Rangitikei, Whanganui and Ruapehu Districts.

The following areas will enter the framework at orange:

The rest of the North Island and the whole of the South Island will move in at Orange

I was really suppressed by this. Government has completly abandoned the criteria it set for red / orange classifications, roughly two weeks ago. I didn't watch the full Q+A, but the speech didn't cover any reasons for the prior criteria being abandoned.... If I recall correctly giving businesses certainty as a major theme of the speech where the classification criteria was announced. I didn't watch the full Q+A, but the speech didn't cover any reasons for the prior criteria being abandoned....

Basically it was that regions at less than 90% fully vaccinated were going to red (with some pragmatism for regions that are very close). Yet we have places like the west coast, our third worst region in terms of fully vaccinated percentage at just 78%, going into Orange, along with places like Taranaki on 81%.

BOP DHB has got cut in half. Western BOP district / Whakatane district boundry was used. Captures kawerau district (65% fully vaccinated) & Opotiki District (69.5% fully vaccianed) in red, but Maketu (67.5% fully vaccinated) is on the orange side of the line.

Will be interesting to see how this all plays out in terms of case numbers. Auckland has only recently stopped growth of case numbers, and that is with very high vaccination numbers & level 3.... Other centers do have the advantage of not being as densely populated as Auckland, but red / orange is a lot less restrictive, and many area's have much lower vaccination rates...

People seeing family ex Auckland & Waikato will seed case's in a bunch of locations. The risk of some quite significant clusters seems high.

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#2821265 29-Nov-2021 21:56

Scott3:

I was really suppressed by this. Government has completly abandoned the criteria it set for red / orange classifications, roughly two weeks ago. I didn't watch the full Q+A, but the speech didn't cover any reasons for the prior criteria being abandoned.... If I recall correctly giving businesses certainty as a major theme of the speech where the classification criteria was announced. I didn't watch the full Q+A, but the speech didn't cover any reasons for the prior criteria being abandoned....

things seem to be made up on the go. So I'm not surprised. i have not been following the news for a few weeks now because basically you wake up on the day and check the rules for the day

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#2821266 29-Nov-2021 21:58

Geektastic: If red is "like Level 2" then why did we not just stick with the Level system?

Messaging.

Pritty important that the addition of vaccination passes be linked in the public mind with more operational freedom for businesses & events, as opposed to just being to punish the unvaccianted, and add a chore for businesses. Has worked out that way pretty well so far.

Ideally we would have done this as NZ came out of level 4, but our vaccine passes weren't ready at that point, so we needed to pick another opening up milestone.

We need a bunch of setting between about 1.2 & 2.5. And we need massive rules changes to mean that these settings can be sustainable in the long term (higher alert levels seemed to be intended for short term use). All up I think a fresh start with a new name is good.

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#2821267 29-Nov-2021 22:05

Batman:

things seem to be made up on the go. not surprised i have not been following the news for a few weeks now because basically you wake up on the day and check the rules for the day

The criteria were only about a couple of weeks old....

And the speech today, mentioned that cabinet considered a bunch of other stuff, that wasn't even in that criteria. (And the 90% threshold wasn't even mentioned).

I wonder if the previous criteria was just made up by a speech writer, and was promptly forgotten about by government, or a conscious decision was made to abandon it and not mention it as sending most of the country into red may have been seen as too harsh.

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#2821291 29-Nov-2021 23:56

Popular journalist and staunch anti-vaxxer dies of Covid-19

Very sad situation.

Seems this gentleman was a substantial contribute to society, but somehow got sucked into the rabbit hole of covid-19 misinformation via Facebook, a virus that ultimately took his life.

From his Facebook page on 22 October:

"THE WORLD'S GREATEST SCAM CONTINUES...
5,315 CASES (1% OF NZ's POPULATION) - 28 DEATHS FROM COVID, 204 DEATHS POST VACCINATION

THIS "VIRUS" WHICH IS NOTHING MORE THAN A BAD FLU, HAS A 99.7% RECOVERY RATE YET THE MANIACS IN THE BEEHIVE PERSIST WITH THE LIE."

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/health/coronavirus/300465994/popular-journalist-and-staunch-antivaxxer-dies-of-covid19

Might be New Zealand's first Hermin Cain Award nominee. (Be warned, the Hermin Cain awards are near to being a death cult)

Again, very sad outcome. A likely preventable death in New Zealand as a result of miss-information, much of which is driven by off shore interests.

I don't blame the guy. Seems he genuinely believed what he was saying. As a society, we failed to protect him.

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#2821293 30-Nov-2021 00:15

I don't want to start a distasteful debate after someone has died. However Society cannot protect everyone from themselves.

Not unless we mandate vaccines for all.

Which is a long term possibility if we are still dealing with this in the coming years and the vicious cycle of mutations remains quite sinister.

In that world mandates will be forced on Governments. No country could afford say a decade of this in the fashion it is harming people at the moment.

Just keep swimming...

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#2821296 30-Nov-2021 05:45

Unfortunately society needs more of these stories to help society

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#2821297 30-Nov-2021 05:52

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/covid-19-delta-outbreak-red-for-auckland-under-new-traffic-light-system-but-dont-expect-green-any-time-soon/ADOFLLRCVUPXSHHOT53YQXFGQA/

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#2821298 30-Nov-2021 05:54

From bbc. So yup gen 1 booster for me.

Booster jabs will be offered to all over 18s in the UK in response to the new Omicron variant - 11 cases have been detected
The gap between second doses and boosters is also being reduced from six to three months
Severely immunocompromised people will be offered a fourth dose and children aged 12 to 15 will be invited for a second dose
The Scottish and Welsh governments call for tougher travel restrictions but Downing Street rejects this
In the US, Covid adviser Anthony Fauci says it's "not the time to panic" but that spread is inevitable
And the UN chief, Antonio Guterres, says he is deeply concerned about the isolation of southern Africa over Omicron

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#2821303 30-Nov-2021 06:52

Scott3:

I was really suppressed by this. Government has completly abandoned the criteria it set for red / orange classifications, roughly two weeks ago. I didn't watch the full Q+A, but the speech didn't cover any reasons for the prior criteria being abandoned.... If I recall correctly giving businesses certainty as a major theme of the speech where the classification criteria was announced. I didn't watch the full Q+A, but the speech didn't cover any reasons for the prior criteria being abandoned....

Basically it was that regions at less than 90% fully vaccinated were going to red (with some pragmatism for regions that are very close). Yet we have places like the west coast, our third worst region in terms of fully vaccinated percentage at just 78%, going into Orange, along with places like Taranaki on 81%.

BOP DHB has got cut in half. Western BOP district / Whakatane district boundry was used. Captures kawerau district (65% fully vaccinated) & Opotiki District (69.5% fully vaccianed) in red, but Maketu (67.5% fully vaccinated) is on the orange side of the line.

Will be interesting to see how this all plays out in terms of case numbers. Auckland has only recently stopped growth of case numbers, and that is with very high vaccination numbers & level 3.... Other centers do have the advantage of not being as densely populated as Auckland, but red / orange is a lot less restrictive, and many area's have much lower vaccination rates...

People seeing family ex Auckland & Waikato will seed case's in a bunch of locations. The risk of some quite significant clusters seems high.

Isn't the basis all around spread and hospital capability?

And that will be affected by any cases, vaccine % and where hospital beds are at. All that makes it very fluid.

As per what I bolded, also hospital beds. In fact case numbers will have less and less relevance as cases become dominated by vaccinated people who will have a huge benefit to their sickness, if any, and hospital beds, while the minority of people, the unvaccinated will dominate hospital beds. Cases go up, vaccinated in hospital go down anti vaxxers in hospital go up.

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