2019 Novel Coronavirus Covid-19 Discussion

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#2824067 3-Dec-2021 22:27

Oblivian: BK belfast, drive through only. Kfc rolleston. Drive through only. Sectioned off the entrances.

Be easier to section off all the seats and become takeaway only. Get your stuff and go

And @Hellothere

Hmm. I cant believe in HT's post that they did that to not divide NZ. Thats a marketing ploy. 96% to 4% is not division. Ive never run a fast food joint, but its probably more efficient to be takeaway only. Meals every 3 minutes or meals every 30 minutes as people sit in store using up more staff and cleaning costs. No extra cost to manage vaccines certs. Probably makes sense

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#2824068 3-Dec-2021 22:30

Totally. Just pointing out there are a few places unable to police, not willing to, or can't adapt to the requirements. So taking the easy road and closing the door.

Despite the change down here being to not a lot but ensuring those you do let in, have the cert..just like they did at my visit at lunchtime.

Closing the walk ins will hurt like level 3 with agro long queues again.

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#2824078 3-Dec-2021 23:21

ezbee:

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Hopefully with Delta showing less transmission in summer, more sensitive to seasons than original Wuhan ?
They will make it through summer to their second dose.

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Delta was first detected in Inida, and is regarded as spreading better in Hot & Humid conditions than the Original strain.

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#2824083 3-Dec-2021 23:33

Scott3:

ezbee:

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Hopefully with Delta showing less transmission in summer, more sensitive to seasons than original Wuhan ?
They will make it through summer to their second dose.

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Delta was first detected in Inida, and is regarded as spreading better in Hot & Humid conditions than the Original strain.

True.

The heat thing does not bear out at all. Beta was created in the heat of Africa. Gamma in the hot humid climbs of Brazil, Lambda in Peru Columbia region.

The waves themselves come in any season although they intensify in colder climates during winter.

However. it has been well established that ventilation limits transmission therefore summer means more outdoor activity.

Like everything with pandemics, there are lots of moving parts and context matters. All those countries where new variants sprang up had poor controls over the virus...with very limited ability to use restrictions.

Economics comes into it in a big way. A slum in Soweto cannot observe even the basics of sanitation. People in India and other places cannot work from home for weeks on end and so forth.

Just keep swimming...

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#2824087 3-Dec-2021 23:46

Oblivian: BK belfast, drive through only. Kfc rolleston. Drive through only. Sectioned off the entrances.

Be easier to section off all the seats and become takeaway only. Get your stuff and go

As drive thrus were open in level 3, it makes no sense that BK is requiring vaccine passports to be scanned on drive thrus, which are largely contactless. Especially when apparently vaccine passports are not being required where cafes have turned to a takeaway contactless system, due to having unvaccinated staff. Yet open homes for houses currently on the market for sale, are not requiring vaccine passports, but if they don;'t use vaccine passports, they need to keep the open home to less than 50 people, even if it is a tiny shoebox house with tiny rooms.
It all seems to be so inconsistent and there seems to be a lack of common sense around some of it. Guess te covid website will change on the fly again as these issues are piked up.

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#2824088 3-Dec-2021 23:46

Good point about India Scott3,

Yes I suppose the seasonality that 'seems' to be evident in Europe is more a result of host behavior.

I was seeing something on Germany which is looking pretty bad with low vaccination rate.
They had covid crushed in summer which was part of reason the vaccination programs stalled.
Though green natural therapy , homeopathy etc is also strong in Germany which may not have helped
Government stalled with election and post election being somewhat rudderless.

Only now starting to put stronger measures in place.
https://www.dw.com/en/german-leaders-approve-new-covid-curbs-for-unvaccinated/a-59994235

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#2824090 3-Dec-2021 23:55

mattwnz:

As drive thrus were open in level 3, it makes no sense that BK is requiring vaccine passports to be scanned on drive thrus, which are largely contactless. Especially when apparently vaccine passports are not being required where cafes have turned to a takeaway contactless system, due to having unvaccinated staff. Yet open homes for houses currently on the market for sale, are not requiring vaccine passports, but if they don;'t use vaccine passports, they need to keep the open home to less than 50 people, even if it is a tiny shoebox house with tiny rooms.
It all seems to be so inconsistent and there seems to be a lack of common sense around some of it. Guess te covid website will change on the fly again as these issues are piked up.

Regarding the bold text, there was a quiet change to that rule a couple of weeks back. now all hospo staff need to be vaccinated:

"Vaccination has been mandated for workers at businesses that must use My Vaccine Passes to operate, or operate with fewer restrictions, at all levels of the COVID-19 Protection Framework.

It is important to note that this mandate applies regardless of whether the business chooses not to require My Vaccine Passes from their customers or clients."

https://www.business.govt.nz/covid-19/my-vaccine-pass-work-vaccination-mandate/

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#2824097 4-Dec-2021 00:24

mattwnz:
As drive thrus were open in level 3, it makes no sense that BK is requiring vaccine passports to be scanned on drive thrus,

They aren't needing passes. That's why only drive-thru.

Only inside dining hospo need to check.

It would pay for you to note their policies or experience one before jumping to conclusions. As getting it all wrong.

https://www.burgerking.co.nz/covid

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Under the government’s new COVID-19 Traffic Light System, for in-store contactless Takeaway, Click & Collect and Dine-In orders, you will need to show your My Vaccine Pass. Dine-In will continue to remain closed temporarily for Auckland stores.

If you don't have a My Vaccine Pass, contactless service via Drive-Thru or Delivery will be available.

Which is why, some are takeaway only avoiding confusing, staffing or hassle. Basically akl/level 3. Up from yesterday in doing so.

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#2824106 4-Dec-2021 01:30

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/health/coronavirus/127184595/covid19-auckland-bars-handling-vaccine-passes-with-ease-on-freedom-day

Positive

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/new-zealand/2021/12/protest-on-first-day-under-orange-light-but-most-embrace-covid-19-vaccine-passes.html

Still mainly positive. I feel and hope that the non vaccinated will tire of missing out and get vaxxed. The few that push the boundary will make the daily news though

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#2824108 4-Dec-2021 02:20

Oblivian:
mattwnz:

As drive thrus were open in level 3, it makes no sense that BK is requiring vaccine passports to be scanned on drive thrus,

They aren't needing passes. That's why only drive-thru.

Only inside dining hospo need to check.

I got the message as popup window in their app. Maybe they have updated it since or they initially made an error with the wording but the popup has now disappeared.

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#2824116 4-Dec-2021 08:15

can this sign be mandatory on all businesses .

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/lifestyle/covid-19-delta-outbreak-cheviot-tea-rooms-vaccine-pass-sign-wins-admirers/WENRPAATFHD3O477ITBAV7QHKE/

Common sense is not as common as you think.

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#2824125 4-Dec-2021 08:24

@tdgeek:

sen8or:

Maccas Moorehouse had signs up about vax pass, but ordered at the kiosk, and collected from the counter, not requested to show it at all. To be fair, they are behind a screen and it was contactless. Boss went to small lunch bar, had to show pass.

I suspect staff and customers will soon settle into a routine.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/canterbury-bakery-cops-abuse-from-unvaccinated-customers/46ACYRCNOIYJDXJCE3SZYHCFP4/

Disappointing but not surprising.

A dollar each way. Who would you report this too? Police? MoH?

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#2824126 4-Dec-2021 08:27

@tdgeek:

Oblivian: BK belfast, drive through only. Kfc rolleston. Drive through only. Sectioned off the entrances.

Be easier to section off all the seats and become takeaway only. Get your stuff and go

And Hellothere

Hmm. I cant believe in HT's post that they did that to not divide NZ. Thats a marketing ploy. 96% to 4% is not division. Ive never run a fast food joint, but its probably more efficient to be takeaway only. Meals every 3 minutes or meals every 30 minutes as people sit in store using up more staff and cleaning costs. No extra cost to manage vaccines certs. Probably makes sense

The "not divide NZ" is doublespeak from anti-vaxxers. Like "I am not antivaxxer but..."

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#2824134 4-Dec-2021 09:25

Can't post a link but, Doctor John Campbell's latest youtube video discusses a preliminary report from South Africa based off a data review of 2.7 million people with an Omicron focus.

Good little video.

Key takeaways are: When compared to previous variants there is a more than double increase in reinfection rates in a highly Covid immune region of South Africa. Interestingly there is a suggestion that people who have had previous infection, are more at risk of a repeat infection....than people who have never had Covid.

This raises the possibility of antibody dependent enhancement (for example the bodies own Macrophages pick up the virus and spread it around the body as seen in hemorrhagic fever). Antibody enhancement is one of the popular misinformation ploys by Antivaxxers who claim the vaccines cause patients to be more vulnerable to infection. Of course the manufacturers looked for enhancement in the lab specifically, it is a complex process, however it is not hard to prove whether a vaccine enhances infection or not.

More likely the very low incidence of zero covid in the study group is skewing the results. When thinking about this I can imagine how in a highly exposed region, that people who remained uninfected, could represent the people who adhere to health measures best.

The study is not peer reviewed.

Just keep swimming...

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#2824135 4-Dec-2021 09:37

Sup:

Can't post a link but, Doctor John Campbell's latest youtube video discusses a preliminary report from South Africa based off a data review of 2.7 million people with an Omicron focus.

Good little video.

Key takeaways are: When compared to previous variants there is a more than double increase in reinfection rates in a highly Covid immune region of South Africa. Interestingly there is a suggestion that people who have had previous infection, are more at risk of a repeat infection....than people who have never had Covid.

This raises the possibility of antibody dependent enhancement (for example the bodies own Macrophages pick up the virus and spread it around the body as seen in hemorrhagic fever). Antibody enhancement is one of the popular misinformation ploys by Antivaxxers who claim the vaccines cause patients to be more vulnerable to infection. Of course the manufacturers looked for enhancement in the lab specifically, it is a complex process, however it is not hard to prove whether a vaccine enhances infection or not.

More likely the very low incidence of zero covid in the study group is skewing the results. When thinking about this I can imagine how in a highly exposed region, that people who remained uninfected, could represent the people who adhere to health measures best.

The study is not peer reviewed.

umm English - so is vaccine good or no good vs Omicron?

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