2019 Novel Coronavirus Covid-19 Discussion

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#2835026 17-Dec-2021 17:57

Just realised something - NZ covid statistics mean if you are run over by a train and happen to test positive for covid, you are included as a covid death. so i think really needs more information

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#2835027 17-Dec-2021 17:58

also something about a particular type/brand of saliva testing - https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/health/coronavirus/127313068/covid19-pcr-saliva-test-as-accurate-as-nasal-swabs-new-zealand-study-confirms

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#2835029 17-Dec-2021 18:02

Unvaccinated teachers gonna teach.
Lovely in areas where we have some of the lowest vaccination rates in Auckland.

South Auckland high school teacher caught showing unvaxxed how to enter pubs
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/covid-19-delta-outbreak-south-auckland-high-school-teacher-caught-showing-unvaxxed-how-to-enter-pubs/PG4GU76KZHPYL7YOPJAR4RQC6M/

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In the eight-minute video, the pair say they are educating the unvaccinated how to pull it off and film themselves in the act, detailing how they scoped out pubs and their plan to get inside.
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#2835030 17-Dec-2021 18:04

quickymart:

Don't know how well that would go down politically, though.

My prediction is that after year seven of Covid you will not be able to find a country on the globe in the 1st world without a vaccine mandate for all citizens apart from Murica who have programmed their citizens to celebrate the right to bear arms to over throw the tyranny of Govt.

The rage of the majority will turn violent after seven years. The patience of the Global economy will be long since past, big industry will target the antisocial minority out of the conversation....the very thing they fear...they are guaranteeing will come to pass.

MSM will drop the lexicon of hesitancy.....because after five years how can you claim hesitancy with a straight face?

MSM will talk about extremists and the fringe and the far right or left.

The words threat to National security will enter the lexicon and that will be the end of all this Tom Foolery we are putting up with just now.

Just keep swimming...

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#2835033 17-Dec-2021 18:12

ezbee:

Unvaccinated teachers gonna teach.
Lovely in areas where we have some of the lowest vaccination rates in Auckland.

South Auckland high school teacher caught showing unvaxxed how to enter pubs
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/covid-19-delta-outbreak-south-auckland-high-school-teacher-caught-showing-unvaxxed-how-to-enter-pubs/PG4GU76KZHPYL7YOPJAR4RQC6M/

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In the eight-minute video, the pair say they are educating the unvaccinated how to pull it off and film themselves in the act, detailing how they scoped out pubs and their plan to get inside.
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The crazy thing is the narcissism of people. Why would you share a video of your criminality? to be fair they might be expecting the Brian Tamaki SIS lets monitor this and keep it in circulation treatment.

Just keep swimming...

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#2835041 17-Dec-2021 18:24

Batman:

the kiddy vaccine can't come soon enough.

was watching the news yesterday some mothers keen and some mothers not keen for their kids to get the vaccine, maybe this will help persuade those

Agree. The population of them is significant. Spread also. The more the merrier, and heartfelt over todays released tragedy.

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#2835043 17-Dec-2021 18:36

ezbee:
Whats up with Jetstar ?

BS all-around

They knew they were out to make trouble. All 10 had 'exemptions' so police were powerless. As was the ability of staff to boot them off as a breach of terms of ticketing.
Because noone took control of the exemption process. Others abuse it to their gain

And one wonders why legitimate users get abused.

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#2835045 17-Dec-2021 18:57

tdgeek:

Batman:

the kiddy vaccine can't come soon enough.

was watching the news yesterday some mothers keen and some mothers not keen for their kids to get the vaccine, maybe this will help persuade those

Agree. The population of them is significant. Spread also. The more the merrier, and heartfelt over todays released tragedy.

A pity they can't vaccinate even younger children TBH. Preschools I imagine could be also a problem with spreading, and you can't mask people of that age.

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#2835047 17-Dec-2021 19:03

i thought the trials are being done, first we had 12-16, now we have 5-11, and i guess soon we'll have the 6mth -4 ...

i think the ability to compress a vaccine that's final retail version in less than a year has been ground breaking. they don't want to rush the next phases and undo all their good work, the antivaxxers will have a field day

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#2835065 17-Dec-2021 19:22

I don't think anyone should be exempt from wearing a mask unless a GP says so and your exempt status could have been set up to work on the same way as the vaccine pass system.

Mind you I gather that system is already being abused so maybe not so good.

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#2835069 17-Dec-2021 19:49

Geektastic: I don't think anyone should be exempt from wearing a mask unless a GP says so and your exempt status could have been set up to work on the same way as the vaccine pass system.

Mind you I gather that system is already being abused so maybe not so good.

I went looking for it to show how easy. Turns out they made it harder. But too late.. already in the AVers realm being shared

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2021/09/government-quietly-makes-it-harder-to-get-a-covid-19-mask-exemption-card-in-bid-to-prevent-misuse.amp.html

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#2835075 17-Dec-2021 20:20

mattwnz:

A pity they can't vaccinate even younger children TBH. Preschools I imagine could be also a problem with spreading, and you can't mask people of that age.

The trials for newborns to five years old are underway now.

Just keep swimming...

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#2835076 17-Dec-2021 20:21

Batman:

Just realised something - NZ covid statistics mean if you are run over by a train and happen to test positive for covid, you are included as a covid death. so i think really needs more information

Sigh.. not this again.

ANYONE who has covid and dies gets initially included into the stats UNTIL a coroner has determined the actual cause of death. If Covid is NOT the cause they get removed from that stats.

This is a WHO directive so that everyone works from the same song sheet and should limit the underreporting that happened at the start of covid

with cases being listed as other respiratory issues.

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#2835084 17-Dec-2021 20:49

Problem is now I am seeing people scaremongering on facebook, posting misinformation. Saying "A child has died From covid". Instead of "with covid"

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#2835094 17-Dec-2021 21:28

alexx:

The current NSW projections from Chris Billington are for 100,000 cases per day by early January and if we extend that line further, then perhaps 1 million a day later in the month (at which point the entire state gets infected in a week).

https://chrisbillington.net/COVID_NSW.html

Even if the real numbers are much lower, the number of active cases could be huge and the result will be a severely overloaded health system in NSW, or any place that receives travellers from NSW or other parts of the world with large numbers of Omicron cases in the community.

Even if the death toll from Omicron is very much lower than other variants, the testing system could be completely overloaded. Medical staff and patients will be waiting a long time to know which variant they are dealing with in each case. Do they assume Delta and accept huge numbers of patients into hospitals, or assume Omicron and tell people they will probably be o.k. to recover at home?

Thankfully we have an MIQ system that can filter out at least some cases and give us a little more time to prepare.

So he's pretty much claiming vaccines are a complete and utter waste of time and don't work? Because that being the case is the only way his numbers can be anywhere even close to being correct.

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