2019 Novel Coronavirus Covid-19 Discussion

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#2841855 2-Jan-2022 13:14

Delta goes on Holiday. Some long exposure time sites.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/health/coronavirus/300489367/covid19-locations-of-interest-in-north-island-holiday-hotspots

Ōhiwa Beach Holiday Park, in Ōpōtiki, from 2pm on Monday, December 27, to 8am on Friday, December 31.

Skyline Rotorua is a location of interest for 11am to 7pm on Wednesday, December 29

As well as usual Tauranga Malls and shopping, eateries.
Bethlehem, Church, and RSA etc

Sup

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#2841859 2-Jan-2022 13:48

cshwone:

Sup:

Still, it is what it is and thankfully Covid does allow for some infected people to continue working, because the alternative in far worse.

I think you have misunderstood the NSW Health Order. They are not permitting positive cases to work. They are targeting close contact health workers who are self-isolating with a return to work under strict protection rules.

I understand that. Yes they are not openly saying go to work if you are a case...although they will be saying that in the coming weeks because that is the only way to maintain health care during an outbreak of this magnitude.

What they are doing however, is removing the main protective factor in the transmission chain by fiddling with the isolation period and the definition of close contacts in general.

This is ok, but it does mean you will have some infected people at work....removing layers to the protection will see increased omicron in hospitals, it is inevitable, the virus gets through even with maximum health measures including isolation periods.

Just keep swimming...

cshwone

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#2841870 2-Jan-2022 14:14

sup,

The second paragraph is quite specific about not attending work if they get any symptoms, getting a test and not returning until a negative result is received.

ezbee

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#2842001 2-Jan-2022 16:03

Delta also likes the nightlife in town.

The Mermaid Club, night 23rd Dec
Pelican Club Especially a CC Wed 29th, Thurs 30th , a bit of 22nd and 23rd Dec
Femme Fatale Night 23rd Dec

While many left town for the beach.

Meanwhile a bit of a worry for Kawerau.

Kawerau, a vey long close contact exposure for
Cayman's Sports Bar Dec 26th and 27th,

Delta has not gone away and there are groups within communities with very low to no vaccination.
Gathering of 70 people and almost half infected so far with 2 in hospital.

Small rural towns urged not to get complacent as Te Kuiti grapples with outbreak
https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/new-zealand/2021/12/covid-19-small-rural-towns-urged-not-to-get-complacent-as-te-kuiti-grapples-with-outbreak.html

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"About 70 people presented, 32 people at that gathering tested positive, and four of those people are currently in hospital.
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Sup

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Ultimate Geek

#2842014 2-Jan-2022 16:31

ezbee:

Delta also likes the nightlife in town.

The Mermaid Club, night 23rd Dec
Pelican Club Especially a CC Wed 29th, Thurs 30th , a bit of 22nd and 23rd Dec
Femme Fatale Night 23rd Dec

While many left town for the beach.

Meanwhile a bit of a worry for Kawerau.

Kawerau, a vey long close contact exposure for
Cayman's Sports Bar Dec 26th and 27th,

Delta has not gone away and there are groups within communities with very low to no vaccination.
Gathering of 70 people and almost half infected so far with 2 in hospital.

Small rural towns urged not to get complacent as Te Kuiti grapples with outbreak
https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/new-zealand/2021/12/covid-19-small-rural-towns-urged-not-to-get-complacent-as-te-kuiti-grapples-with-outbreak.html

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"About 70 people presented, 32 people at that gathering tested positive, and four of those people are currently in hospital.
""

And this is the only way some people will get vaccinated, when people they know become very ill.

And anyone who does not learn this round, will almost certainly get reinfected with omicron, and well after that whatever comes next.

Funny how people seem to forget Delta is really infectious and very nasty.

Looks like we will see a second Delta wave....the seeds are spreading.

Just keep swimming...

SJB

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#2842023 2-Jan-2022 17:03

I see one of the new places of interest was a massage parlor which was deemed 'close contact'.

I'd want my money back if it wasn't.

Reanalyse

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Ultimate Geek

#2842035 2-Jan-2022 18:05

It is so, so sad. We tend to treat anti-vaxers with some derision, but mentally ill people are suffering and even destroying themselves because of the disinformation peddled for what gain.

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#2842042 2-Jan-2022 18:41

Covid treatment pill supply problems:

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2021/dec/28/covid-pills-challenges-paxlovid-molnupiravir

If the USA unvaxxed are begining to count on these as a backstop then they should think again. Initially not many people will get the pills vax or no vax. Add to that - the pill treatment has incompatibilities with some heart medications and kidney issues. Vaccination is by far the best first line defense against covid and the serious complications.

Scott3

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#2842049 2-Jan-2022 19:38

gzt: Covid treatment pill supply problems:

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2021/dec/28/covid-pills-challenges-paxlovid-molnupiravir

If the USA unvaxxed are begining to count on these as a backstop then they should think again. Initially not many people will get the pills vax or no vax. Add to that - the pill treatment has incompatibilities with some heart medications and kidney issues. Vaccination is by far the best first line defense against covid and the serious complications.

Interesting article.

I would suggest that for much of the world, omicron means the application of the antiviral pill is reduced to being very niche.

For NZ, we have 120,000 courses on order, split over two brands (none delivered yet to my knowledge).

If we had an NSW style outbreak:

Volumes of cases dwarf pill availability. NSW had 18k cases reported today. scaled to NZ population that is 11k. Medicine would need to be cherry picked for the 10% or less, most at risk of needing hospitalization (elderly, other medical conditions, unvaccinated).
There are reports of symptomatic people in NSW waiting 5+ days for test results. Problematic when the pills were only tested when people start taking them within 5 days of symptom onset.

Should also note that many of the common antivax arguments may well also apply to the pills. (covid-19 is mild, 99.x survival rate, vaccine too new, concern about long term vaccine impacts etc.)

I'm not medical, but how the antiviral pills work sounds a bit scary (but trial results sound great). Serious risk that anti-vaxers would refuse them eairly on in the infection when their symptoms are mild.

Awesome for immune compromised (vaccinated but it dosn't work well), and those who can't be vaccinated though.

Scott3

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#2842101 2-Jan-2022 19:58

Evidence of fairly quick waning of effectiveness of Pfizer booster's against omicron infection:

"Recipients of three Pfizer doses started with 70 percent effectiveness against Omicron one week after the booster. That protection dropped to 45 percent after 10 weeks."

5 day old article: https://www.popsci.com/science/booster-protection-against-omicron-drops/

Might be some merit in our current approach of doing minimal vaccination atm, and waiting untill omicron actually lands and starts to spread, before doing a massive push in a short time. That approach will give us the freshest boosters, and with 3m doses in the freezer we have the ability to push them out in a hurry when needed.

gzt

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#2842103 2-Jan-2022 20:11

Scott3: I'm not medical, but how the antiviral pills work sounds a bit scary (but trial results sound great). Serious risk that anti-vaxers would refuse them eairly on in the infection when their symptoms are mild.

The Pfizer pill sounds ok. The Moderna pill cannot be given to children or pregnant women.

Sup

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Ultimate Geek

#2842106 2-Jan-2022 20:30

Reanalyse:

It is so, so sad. We tend to treat anti-vaxers with some derision, but mentally ill people are suffering and even destroying themselves because of the disinformation peddled for what gain.

Horrific.

People do really crazy things. Which is why the press conference where an Antivaxxer forged a press I.D. and got in Aderns face was a national security epic fail.

I guess we have to be thankful this guy only torched himself and did not do the murder suicide stuff. Someone will eventually.

Just keep swimming...

Sup

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Ultimate Geek

#2842109 2-Jan-2022 20:37

gzt:
Scott3: I'm not medical, but how the antiviral pills work sounds a bit scary (but trial results sound great). Serious risk that anti-vaxers would refuse them eairly on in the infection when their symptoms are mild.

The Pfizer pill sounds ok. The Moderna pill cannot be given to children or pregnant women.

Yeah the MercK pill might not be any good for cancer patients either.

This pill causes replication errors...so that is why it is a risk to rappidly growing foetuses etc...because of the potential to cause errors with cell division.

Sounds a bit scary.

Still if you are high risk from Covid you might as well take it.

Just keep swimming...

Sup

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Ultimate Geek

#2842120 2-Jan-2022 21:30

Scott3:

Evidence of fairly quick waning of effectiveness of Pfizer booster's against omicron infection:

"Recipients of three Pfizer doses started with 70 percent effectiveness against Omicron one week after the booster. That protection dropped to 45 percent after 10 weeks."

5 day old article: https://www.popsci.com/science/booster-protection-against-omicron-drops/

Might be some merit in our current approach of doing minimal vaccination atm, and waiting untill omicron actually lands and starts to spread, before doing a massive push in a short time. That approach will give us the freshest boosters, and with 3m doses in the freezer we have the ability to push them out in a hurry when needed.

So this looks like we have to stop chasing the Dragon. Sterilizing immunity is off the cards in any meaningful way. It might be time to accept that we get omicron after this booster and deal with it.

The mixing with Moderna looked a lot more promising, I am surprised we did not try a different platform this time around, however NZ has a good supply arrangement with Pfizer I guess.

Just keep swimming...

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#2842124 2-Jan-2022 21:38

I was thinking that the current booster would just tide us over until the mRNA vaccines are updated for omicron. Hopefully then we can get a fourth injection and have longer lasting protection.

Or am I dreaming?

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