2019 Novel Coronavirus Covid-19 Discussion

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#2869401 16-Feb-2022 09:39

Of the people I have spoken to about this, I think about half of them (if not more) are very reluctant to get tested, and are no longer using the tracer app as they do not want to be forced to isolate for 7-10 days as they cannot afford to be off work. A lot of these people work for small businesses that will have to close even if one of them is deemed a close contact of a case (as then, everyone else that works with them will also be close contacts).

I get that, and if I couldn't work from home (I can), I wouldn't get tested. If I get it, or am a close contact, my wife (who can't work from home) will have to stay home, and possibly everyone else that she works with will then be close contacts, closing her business (accomodation) down.

IMO, just get on with it, it's here, it's not going away. All we are doing it is prolonging it.

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#2869404 16-Feb-2022 09:43

Community testing is borderline useless in Auckland anyway, given that locations of interest are no longer being published and haven't been for some time.

If you're too young to get jabbed or vulnerable, then tough, apparently. So I guess we'll find out how good 'kindness' really is when it comes protecting them.

It angers me no end that I can't take precautionary steps to avoid exposure in our biggest city, after the prolonged lockdowns we endured, because contact tracing that we were told could handle a thousand cases a day fell apart at just over 200.

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#2869411 16-Feb-2022 09:56

GV27:

Holy cow, I'm not sure I heard the full story on this on RNZ on the way into work this morning, but it sounds like our contact tracing system going to now revolve around a self-declared LOI form that takes half an hour to complete - during which you'll have to declare your own high-risk LOIs.

Here's the full story on this:

https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/461620/omicron-phase-two-covid-19-cases-will-soon-be-doing-their-own-contact-tracing

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#2869413 16-Feb-2022 10:04

GV27:

Holy cow, I'm not sure I heard the full story on this on RNZ on the way into work this morning, but it sounds like our contact tracing system going to now revolve around a self-declared LOI form that takes half an hour to complete - during which you'll have to declare your own high-risk LOIs.

Under Phase 2 (Now) , you will basically upload your location Diaries, and name any household contacts,
- There are simply too many cases to do much else,

BUT, it will only last for a few weeks, because once we get above 5000 daily cases we go to phase 3, which is basically "live with it" very little use of LOIs at all...

"Contacts:

Contacts automatically notified from online self-investigation and option for cases to self-notify their contacts.
Only highest risk contacts will be traced and required to isolate
Limited use of push notifications, locations of interest or Bluetooth"

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#2869419 16-Feb-2022 10:19

trig42:

Of the people I have spoken to about this, I think about half of them (if not more) are very reluctant to get tested, and are no longer using the tracer app as they do not want to be forced to isolate for 7-10 days as they cannot afford to be off work. A lot of these people work for small businesses that will have to close even if one of them is deemed a close contact of a case (as then, everyone else that works with them will also be close contacts).

I get that, and if I couldn't work from home (I can), I wouldn't get tested. If I get it, or am a close contact, my wife (who can't work from home) will have to stay home, and possibly everyone else that she works with will then be close contacts, closing her business (accomodation) down.

IMO, just get on with it, it's here, it's not going away. All we are doing it is prolonging it.

100% this.

My wife can and is working at home under direction of her employer, I can't and given I'm changing jobs soon, will have no leave with the new employer and (or but) more importantly, I will not be able to fulfil the function for which I was employed to do to begin with. If I develop "a cold", so be it, I'll take appropriate sick days (paid or unpaid, thats no me having just changed jobs) to ensure I don't infect others, but no way in hell am I isolating for 7-10 days (or likely more as the virus does the family merry-go-round).

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#2869491 16-Feb-2022 10:55

GV27:

Here's the full story on this:

https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/461620/omicron-phase-two-covid-19-cases-will-soon-be-doing-their-own-contact-tracing

I can't see the problem with this. With thousands of cases per day (which will be well understated as many wont get a test) any measure that helps keep others aware is worthwhile. How much time did contacttracers spend on per person interviews? If you suspect you have Covid and are voluntarily self isolating, you have time to burn at home to put towards spreading the word to your own contacts. NZ cannot manage tens of thousand of new cases every week, so look after yourself and your Whānau by way of communication, digital form or not

LOI's, well will they really matter? A few thousand cases on one day will have a few thousand locations of interest (yes, some overlap) so in effect, the LOI is Auckland, and Tauranga, and Hamilton and so on

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#2869502 16-Feb-2022 11:08

Holy Hell, people need to stop being tested unless they are symptomatic or required as part of the isolation protocols. Pretty much every testing facility is at red capacity now.

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#2869513 16-Feb-2022 11:19

what do we expect. the media has created panic for the last 2 years and some people are now panicking more than ever before.

never hear anything educational just hype hysteria and panic

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#2869520 16-Feb-2022 11:29

It's more the human way

If you are told there are 20 contacts in the city you are in, you are going to tell yourself the likely hood of bumping into one of those 20 is very very low.

When you are told there are 900, and some are in your area. Or the surface may only be being scraped, You are going to question every person you Walk past, that the supermarket you go to can have half that number of people in it (or more) at any time

And you're going to start thinking your own risk factor is rising. So want to line up

We've seen it time and time again with overloaded lines on breakouts and interview with them all waiting saying they don't have symptoms, but did last week..or think they should be safer than sorry.

And that was with a max of 200 a day.

Multiply those people not listening by a factor of 4. And here we are today needing to enforce the need to trim the fat.

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#2869523 16-Feb-2022 11:31

networkn:

Holy Hell, people need to stop being tested unless they are symptomatic or required as part of the isolation protocols. Pretty much every testing facility is at red capacity now.

They've closed the Massey Testing Centre over the weekend so I'm not surprised the other West Auckland ones are overrun.

I thought it was just because of the wind exposure for Dovi but they've packed it up and moved it to Te Atatu, apparently.

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#2869525 16-Feb-2022 11:32

well in the past we needed to detect every case as we were trying to eliminate

but we are not trying to eliminate now

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#2869528 16-Feb-2022 11:35

Batman:

what do we expect. the media has created panic for the last 2 years and some people are now panicking more than ever before.

never hear anything educational just hype hysteria and panic

So true. The state broadcasters 6pm News and Stuff have a lot to do with this.

Stuff is so bad with their click bait headlines and then the article is not as explosive as the headline.

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#2869534 16-Feb-2022 11:40

Oblivian: It's more the human way

If you are told there are 20 contacts in the city you are in, you are going to tell yourself the likely hood of bumping into one of those 20 is very very low.

When you are told there are 900, and some are in your area. Or the surface may only be being scraped, You are going to question every person you Walk past, that the supermarket you go to can have half that number of people in it (or more) at any time

And you're going to start thinking your own risk factor is rising. So want to line up

We've seen it time and time again with overloaded lines on breakouts and interview with them all waiting saying they don't have symptoms, but did last week..or think they should be safer than sorry.

And that was with a max of 200 a day.

Multiply those people not listening by a factor of 4. And here we are today needing to enforce the need to trim the fat.

This is happening in NZ because this is the first time that people have really been affected by it in that the likelihood of catching it is so much higher the fear has exponentially gone up.

Talking to friends in UK, USA and in Asia they have got to the stage that they don't fear it anymore and not going overboard. Just being cautious like you would be in winter.

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#2869547 16-Feb-2022 11:49

GV27:

GV27:

Holy cow, I'm not sure I heard the full story on this on RNZ on the way into work this morning, but it sounds like our contact tracing system going to now revolve around a self-declared LOI form that takes half an hour to complete - during which you'll have to declare your own high-risk LOIs.

Here's the full story on this:

https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/461620/omicron-phase-two-covid-19-cases-will-soon-be-doing-their-own-contact-tracing

From the MoH

"The Contact Tracing Upload Tool (CTUT) is a webtool to support businesses and organisations to make it easy for them to upload the details of people for the purposes of efficient COVID-19 contact tracing."

https://www.health.govt.nz/covid-19-novel-coronavirus/covid-19-resources-and-tools/contact-tracing-upload-tool

I had a quick flick through the associated guide and was immediately struck by this

"You will receive an email from noreply.upload.tracing@health.govt.nz It will include an invitation link and instructions to set up and use the upload tool "

but then there is this

"It is best to use a Microsoft PC for this process – Chrome and Edge work best, reach out to the help email if you only have access to a Mac operating system"

I mean come on guys, its 2020 not 2000, people should be able to use Macs, tablets and phones to fill this in, expecting everyone to have a "Microsoft PC" is going to swamp your help line...

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#2869551 16-Feb-2022 11:56

wellygary:

but then there is this

"It is best to use a Microsoft PC for this process – Chrome and Edge work best, reach out to the help email if you only have access to a Mac operating system"

I mean come on guys, its 2020 not 2000, people should be able to use Macs, tablets and phones to fill this in, expecting everyone to have a "Microsoft PC" is going to swamp your help line...

Seems pretty blinkered to me. What, programming for the Mac is in the too hard basket for IT professionals?

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