2019 Novel Coronavirus Covid-19 Discussion

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#2869698 16-Feb-2022 16:01

langi27:

maybe asked before, with 1000+ cases a day, what is the point of anyone staying at MIQ? shouldn't they just open the doors and say see you later regardless of which country you came from. Stopping 40+ cases at the boarder seems a waste of time and money when we get over 1000+ cases in community.......or maybe i've missed the point.

I would say that at the moment there are areas of the Country which do not yet have cases or too many cases. Remember the regions have lower ICU capacity than our major centres and any cases there will eventually make their way to someone who will need ICU care and that is the problem.. Not all coming in to the Country will be staying in the cities. Until the regions are seeded with lots of cases then really we still need to protect the health system.

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#2869768 16-Feb-2022 16:56

It would also be nice to keep some of the new mutations out like the BA.2 with new added inflammation mutation.

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#2869788 16-Feb-2022 17:20

Beccara:

It would also be nice to keep some of the new mutations out like the BA.2 with new added inflammation mutation.

bit late , i wouldnt be surprised if BA.2 is the dominant strain in NZ because it was here almost the same time as the BA.1.

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#2869791 16-Feb-2022 17:24

I meant the new new BA.2, BA.2 with H78Y mutation in the ORF3A protein which is currently suspected to be the cause of all the lung damage in OG covid. Early days yet but better to limit the number of strains running around

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#2869792 16-Feb-2022 17:24

Beccara:
It would also be nice to keep some of the new mutations out like the BA.2 with new added inflammation mutation.

I thought they stopped sequencing tests and they were just going to assume what the varriant is. There is no evidence that BA2 has been kept out now, is there? Has the MOH published any variant data for the last couple of days?

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#2869823 16-Feb-2022 17:50

langi27:
maybe asked before, with 1000+ cases a day, what is the point of anyone staying at MIQ? shouldn't they just open the doors and say see you later regardless of which country you came from. Stopping 40+ cases at the boarder seems a waste of time and money when we get over 1000+ cases in community.......or maybe i've missed the point.

Currently, MIQ is mostly full of people that are testing negative but are close contacts to overseas cases. They could let these people self isolate at home. That would free up a lot of rooms for people that actually have covid. These positive cases could then recover in MIQ with medical supervision rather than infecting the rest of their family, and, for some, die alone in their homes.
The trouble is, political poling suggests people are scared that some of the people currently testing negative from overseas will become positive at a later date. If so, these people may then spread it to others in the community. Who would you prefer isolating with your family: 1- someone testing negative but who has just returned from overseas, or 2- someone who is testing positive but caught it here. Most people will pick option 1 which is why the government is doing what it is doing.

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#2869841 16-Feb-2022 18:25

Sequencing...
They are doing sequencing to monitor, but can only do so many.
So a surveillance level, especially as resources are stretched, never mind expense.
Someone who knows more can confirm if there is some partial sequence testing that is done more often.

While there is some time lag for data getting into this database on
https://covariants.org/per-country

About 1/3 down the page is New Zealand last reported 7th Feb
266 omicron 21K (BA.1),
97 omicron 21L,(BA.2),
38 delta 21J ,
2 20A EU.2

Yep omicron has not eliminated other variants, but they are very tiny percentages.
Possibly more testing will find more.
UK also found small numbers of 20A.EU.2, and USA as well with some delta.

More multicoloured charts here of the SARS-Cov2 family
https://nextstrain.org/ncov/gisaid/global

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#2869856 16-Feb-2022 19:00

vexxxboy:

it has been a thing in every country, at least 70% of hospital cases were in hospital for something else and tested positive to Covid so they were classed as covid hospital cases.

Ouch and thank you. Thats quite bizarre. It could give the non vulnerable a positive feel, which is helpful for mental health, and business activity. Bit if there news id meanly abuut case numbers and protests, the word isnt really getting out to the populous

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#2869859 16-Feb-2022 19:07

langi27:

maybe asked before, with 1000+ cases a day, what is the point of anyone staying at MIQ? shouldn't they just open the doors and say see you later regardless of which country you came from. Stopping 40+ cases at the boarder seems a waste of time and money when we get over 1000+ cases in community.......or maybe i've missed the point.

I think your on point. Same with mandates. But we need to get to a place where MIQ is meaningless as are mandates. Thats probably not far off, but with just a few days of large case numbers, lets make sure. In NZ we have been the last man standing, so can use existing data. It doesnt matter IF we could have disarmed MIQ or mandates earlier, but we dont want to disarm them too early, you cannot wind that back

Talk about a moving target. Be conservative. Id rather be brickbatted for that than the alternative of being too early.

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#2870168 17-Feb-2022 11:40

The MOH joke department have been at it again.

Most cases will now be contacted by text message where they will find a link to information on how to tell others they might be a contact. Cases will need to register online and identify who their close contacts might be for contact tracing purposes.

Seriously? The people dreaming these schemes up must live in some sort of parallel universe.

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#2870172 17-Feb-2022 11:44

Some people will now have been vaccinated for many months. How much will the protection given by the vaccine have waned?

As the most vulnerable were vaccinated early doesn't that mean they will have the least protection as the omicron variant spreads.

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#2870187 17-Feb-2022 11:46

Boosters. And if you were imunocompromised you would've had three shots to start with, plus the booster.

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#2870195 17-Feb-2022 11:54

tdgeek:

vexxxboy:

it has been a thing in every country, at least 70% of hospital cases were in hospital for something else and tested positive to Covid so they were classed as covid hospital cases.

Ouch and thank you. Thats quite bizarre. It could give the non vulnerable a positive feel, which is helpful for mental health, and business activity. Bit if there news id meanly abuut case numbers and protests, the word isnt really getting out to the populous

NZ must be different because the article on Stuff this morning said that Covid was the thing putting people in Hospital, not that they were already in Hospital

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#2870201 17-Feb-2022 11:59

tdgeek:

langi27:

maybe asked before, with 1000+ cases a day, what is the point of anyone staying at MIQ? shouldn't they just open the doors and say see you later regardless of which country you came from. Stopping 40+ cases at the boarder seems a waste of time and money when we get over 1000+ cases in community.......or maybe i've missed the point.

I think your on point. Same with mandates. But we need to get to a place where MIQ is meaningless as are mandates. Thats probably not far off, but with just a few days of large case numbers, lets make sure. In NZ we have been the last man standing, so can use existing data. It doesnt matter IF we could have disarmed MIQ or mandates earlier, but we dont want to disarm them too early, you cannot wind that back

Talk about a moving target. Be conservative. Id rather be brickbatted for that than the alternative of being too early.

We are lucky in that we can still do this to some degree, being an Island nation with a relatively small population at the bottom of the world. If we were a European country with land borders then MIQ, Manadates etc would be next to useless with Omnicron and would have to let Omnicron have it's wave.

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#2870207 17-Feb-2022 12:07

SJB:

The MOH joke department have been at it again.

Most cases will now be contacted by text message where they will find a link to information on how to tell others they might be a contact. Cases will need to register online and identify who their close contacts might be for contact tracing purposes.

Seriously? The people dreaming these schemes up must live in some sort of parallel universe.

And it is expected that filling in the reporting web page will take at least 30 minutes. I really can't see many people doing that.

I guess that mostly I could identify close contacts, but presumably I'd also have to identify where I'd been recently and what times, so that other people at those locations and times could be notified... but how's that going to happen?

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