2019 Novel Coronavirus Covid-19 Discussion

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#2876401 28-Feb-2022 17:03

sen8or:

So the borders are open for all vaccinated returning New Zealanders. Whilst we are still in the middle of our own growth phase of cases, with 10-15k community cases each day reported (and who knows what the real number is), the old "stop it at the border" really didn't make sense anymore. I for one am quite happy they have finally relented.

I think I heard Ardern say that modelling put the additional cases arriving through border at 100-425 cases /week... so thats up to 60 a day.. That's a rounding error on a 15,000 daily cases count...

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#2876404 28-Feb-2022 17:15

Hopefully the previously exploited 'I'm transiting and already here so let me stay...' doesn't transfer over to 'I'm not, but already here so let me in'

I scrolled past an AirNZ ad for north America being opened up again earlier. Can't find hit of it now to confirm the wording, but it seemed awfully strange given we were closed up. Have to wonder if they had the heads-up and oopsied again.

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#2876406 28-Feb-2022 17:30

heavenlywild:

So the govt is yet to decide whether "fully vaccinated" is 2 or 3 shots, is that right?

No, the government continues to decide that two shots is fully vaccinated, until it isn't.
Then it'll be three shots.

But with only 2,306,762 boosted - 69.5% of those eligible (and only 58.5% of Māori) - according to today's MoH release, I don't think they'll be changing their decision anytime soon.

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#2876567 28-Feb-2022 20:46

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/explained/300502186/covid19-is-it-omicron-a-cold-or-hayfever-symptoms-to-look-out-for

Interesting article that explains the symptoms of Omnicron, as it's a bit different to Delta, etc.

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#2876583 28-Feb-2022 21:51

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MaxineN:

As someone who is immunocompromised, and has a immunocompromised fiancée who barely survived a run in with the flu and ended up in hospital.

How the hell are we meant to avoid/dodge COVID if we just continue to let it rip?

Uni has refused to do remote learning so she's having to go in(and there's already COVID cases at this uni). Trying to avoid it as much as we can but it just feels like we're all going to get it now and the people with the crappiest immune systems are going to end up being the worst off/abandoned/forgotten?

Maybe I am dooming and glooming too much but we kind of just don't feel safe anymore.

I think you can only avoid / dodge if you treat everyone you contact as being infectious. If your fiancee barely survived the flu, that would be the normal situation for you I would suspect whether or not Covid existed in the world.

To that end, to what extent and how long do we lock down the country or impose other restrictions? And what happens next time there is another disease that is released into the wild? What point is it simply too big of an imposition on "society" to protect the vulnerable? (I don't mean that to sound as callous as its worded, just couldn't think of other wording for it)

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IMO, this the biggest failure of the government. Instead of focusing on protections of the immunocompromised/elderly and investing in much needed medical infrastructure, they spent the last two years playing whack-a-mole and carrot and stick.

Many people are tired of this approach.

At the beginning you had close to 100% compliance and anti-vax was almost unheard of (usually weird old people)

Two years later, the pandemic actually reaches NZ, and an increasing number of people have either given up (the majority of non boomer people I have spoken to don't care any more) or have become against the governments measure entirely.

If they spent a big chunk of the $60B on health and services towards the at risk, we would be able to ride tis out perpetually.

But rather than treat us like adults, we have been talked down to and gaslighted.

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#2876593 28-Feb-2022 22:13

I wonder if Jetstar choice to not run mask enforcement (and possibly checks for vaccination or jabbed staff) lead to this

https://i.stuff.co.nz/business/127909666/jetstar-halts-transtasman-rarotonga-flights-for-three-months

Odd timing

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#2876603 28-Feb-2022 22:55

3rd shot for me next week ahead here in GER (regardless of a J&J single shot or not). Preferably and intentionally with mixed technologies.

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#2876606 28-Feb-2022 23:03

The first 2 shots didn't cause wife and I too much trouble. The booster though really knocked us... body ache, fatigue... but more than happy to do it again to be safe.

All side effects disappeared after just 2 days.

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#2876656 1-Mar-2022 09:12

I've seen several mentions that MIQ will be kept for unvaccinated travellers flying in from overseas.

Is it not the case that most airlines require tests and/or evidence of vaccination before flying? So the number of unvaccinated pax must be few? Are the airlines going to drop the requirements?

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#2876657 1-Mar-2022 09:14

Oblivian: I wonder if Jetstar choice to not run mask enforcement (and possibly checks for vaccination or jabbed staff) lead to this

https://i.stuff.co.nz/business/127909666/jetstar-halts-transtasman-rarotonga-flights-for-three-months

Odd timing

Or maybe their terrible punctuality and average service etc? Could just be coincidence!

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#2876659 1-Mar-2022 09:19

Geektastic: I've seen several mentions that MIQ will be kept for unvaccinated travellers flying in from overseas.

Is it not the case that most airlines require tests and/or evidence of vaccination before flying? So the number of unvaccinated pax must be few? Are the airlines going to drop the requirements?

I think that'll be for unvaccinated NZ Citizens, and maybe NZ Permanent Residents, only

I'm pretty sure other people can't get a visa unless vaccinated

But yes, the need for MIQ will drop off very sharply quite soon.
Presumably MBIE are in negotiations with the various hotels to exit their lease agreements and turn the premises back into hotels again.

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#2876669 1-Mar-2022 09:38

PolicyGuy:

But yes, the need for MIQ will drop off very sharply quite soon.
Presumably MBIE are in negotiations with the various hotels to exit their lease agreements and turn the premises back into hotels again.

some already didnt resign contacts not that long ago.

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#2876793 1-Mar-2022 11:19

heavenlywild: The first 2 shots didn't cause wife and I too much trouble. The booster though really knocked us... body ache, fatigue... but more than happy to do it again to be safe.

All side effects disappeared after just 2 days.

Booster stuffed me for over a week, still got some symptoms from it. Joint pain and then fever / cold symptoms. Still worth getting, but definitely the most memorable jab I've ever had

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#2876805 1-Mar-2022 11:49

I'm about 90% over mine, which I had on Friday. Can only get better from here :)

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#2876884 1-Mar-2022 12:56

The New York Times - Pfizer Shot Is Far Less Effective in 5- to 11-Year-Olds Than in Older Kids, New Data Show

28 Feb 2022

While protection against hospitalization is still strong, the vaccine offered almost no protection against infection, even just a month after full vaccination.

The coronavirus vaccine made by Pfizer-BioNTech is much less effective in preventing infection in children ages 5 to 11 years than in older adolescents or adults, according to a large new set of data collected by health officials in New York State - a finding that has deep ramifications for these children and their parents.

The Pfizer vaccine is the only Covid shot authorized for that age group in the United States.

It still prevents severe illness in the children, but offers virtually no protection against infection, even within a month after full immunization, the data, which were collected during the Omicron surge, suggest.

The sharp drop in the vaccine’s performance in young children may stem from the fact that they receive one-third the dose given to older children and adults, researchers and federal officials who have reviewed the data said.

The findings, which were posted online on Monday, come on the heels of clinical trial results indicating that the vaccine fared poorly in children aged 2 to 4 years, who received an even smaller dose. ...

This has implications for Covid management in schools.

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