2019 Novel Coronavirus Covid-19 Discussion

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#2878553 4-Mar-2022 00:40

There have been a lot of examples of similar things to that where certain things contradict other messages. They update the rules on the website at any time .

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#2878625 4-Mar-2022 08:01

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mattwnz:

The point is flattening the curve, and because most of NZ is weeks behind Auckland, and the low number of cases in many parts of NZ could still be tracked.. I heard one expert referring to it as a bit like a Mexican wave, where you will get the peak in Auckland occurring well before many other parts of NZ which may have their peaks weeks later. The risks at the moment of catching it will be higher in Auckland than other parts of NZ because of the % of people infected being higher. Apparently we are 1-2 weeks away from the peak in Auckland, and perhaps 3 weeks from the peak in hospital cases. But flattening the curve does help the health system to spread the load over a longer period of time.

I dont want to disagree. I'd be ok with an 8 week lockdown, but most arent. And when most seem to be asymptomatic, thats a problem. And when most are over it, thats a problem. The saviour is that its milder, but its an issue for those with other issues. But its better than Delta for all of us.

IMO that ship has sailed, even though I feel your sentiment.

Another lockdown, sorry, no way in hell would that be accepted, and for what, a virus that for the majority is somewhere between no symptoms and a bad cold. I feel for those that are at risk, but to be fair, if they aren't taking care of themselves by now, then there is only so far society will go to protect them. Whats the saying, you can lead a horse to water.....

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#2878626 4-Mar-2022 08:11

sen8or:

tdgeek:

I dont want to disagree. I'd be ok with an 8 week lockdown, but most arent. And when most seem to be asymptomatic, thats a problem. And when most are over it, thats a problem. The saviour is that its milder, but its an issue for those with other issues. But its better than Delta for all of us.

IMO that ship has sailed, even though I feel your sentiment.

Another lockdown, sorry, no way in hell would that be accepted, and for what, a virus that for the majority is somewhere between no symptoms and a bad cold. I feel for those that are at risk, but to be fair, if they aren't taking care of themselves by now, then there is only so far society will go to protect them. Whats the saying, you can lead a horse to water.....

Thats what I said

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#2878671 4-Mar-2022 09:20

sen8or:

tdgeek:

I dont want to disagree. I'd be ok with an 8 week lockdown, but most arent. And when most seem to be asymptomatic, thats a problem. And when most are over it, thats a problem. The saviour is that its milder, but its an issue for those with other issues. But its better than Delta for all of us.

IMO that ship has sailed, even though I feel your sentiment.

Another lockdown, sorry, no way in hell would that be accepted, and for what, a virus that for the majority is somewhere between no symptoms and a bad cold. I feel for those that are at risk, but to be fair, if they aren't taking care of themselves by now, then there is only so far society will go to protect them. Whats the saying, you can lead a horse to water.....

Problem with a lockdown for Omicron is that it is too difficult to stop it so all a 8 week lockdown would do is push the wave back 8 weeks and put the surge smack bang in the start of winter.

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#2878782 4-Mar-2022 10:36

sen8or:

Another lockdown, sorry, no way in hell would that be accepted, and for what, a virus that for the majority is somewhere between no symptoms and a bad cold. I feel for those that are at risk, but to be fair, if they aren't taking care of themselves by now, then there is only so far society will go to protect them. Whats the saying, you can lead a horse to water.....

It's a lot harder to 'take care of yourself' if you have widepread non-reporting of positive results and a huge city like Auckland basically being left to fend for themselves.

I agree another lockdown is unlikely to find much support, but let's not pretend that for young kids and others who can't get jabbed, the 'just letting it rip' approach we've ended up with is incredibly demoralising after spending 100 days being locked up last year as Aucklanders took a hit so everyone else could just get on with life. Frankly I think we deserved better than that.

We've gone from maximum protection to 'oh well, it's gonna happen' anyway in the blink of eye, but for those who aren't in a position to just roll with the punches, it's kind of dehumanising.

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#2878785 4-Mar-2022 10:39

There won't be another lockdown (not for Omicron anyway).

In fact, selling another lockdown, even if Pi (or whatver comes next) is more deadly will be tough work. I don't think we've got it in us any more.

I suspect Auckland is pretty much at peak cases. I personally know people who have RAT tested positive, but aren't telling the MOH. They are staying home (I think), but they're just not getting into the system which, to be fair, is buckling under the load.

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#2878789 4-Mar-2022 10:41

trig42:

I suspect Auckland is pretty much at peak cases. I personally know people who have RAT tested positive, but aren't telling the MOH. They are staying home (I think), but they're just not getting into the system which, to be fair, is buckling under the load.

Awesome, LOIs for those people now can't be updated and at-risk people won't find out if they've been exposed. Just fantastic stuff.

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#2878819 4-Mar-2022 10:56

trig42:

There won't be another lockdown (not for Omicron anyway).

In fact, selling another lockdown, even if Pi (or whatver comes next) is more deadly will be tough work. I don't think we've got it in us any more.

I suspect Auckland is pretty much at peak cases. I personally know people who have RAT tested positive, but aren't telling the MOH. They are staying home (I think), but they're just not getting into the system which, to be fair, is buckling under the load.

NZ is pretty vulnerable to a new variant with the borders essentially reopen, because by the time we find out, it will likely already be in NZ. This is what happened with omicron, and NZ was just lucky we hadn't opened the borders at that stage and were able to keep it out until vaccination rates had increased.

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#2878820 4-Mar-2022 10:56

Yeah, agreed, but I suspect any updating of LOIs isn't really happening, and if it is, it's happening far too late to be of any use.

I know at least one of them was at a wedding (where they probably caught it) and messages have gone out to everyone who was at the wedding that is was there. Taking some responsibility for themselves at least.

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#2878899 4-Mar-2022 11:24

trig42:

Yeah, agreed, but I suspect any updating of LOIs isn't really happening, and if it is, it's happening far too late to be of any use.

I know at least one of them was at a wedding (where they probably caught it) and messages have gone out to everyone who was at the wedding that is was there. Taking some responsibility for themselves at least.

The problem is that people are going out sick, and relying on an inaccurate negative RAT test. When anyone who has cold or flu symptoms should stay home. But that messaging doesn't seem to be really our there now. I have seen coughing children in supermarkets and they aren't wearing masks.

Just heard of a story of an elderly group all infected after someone who was sick infected them, and those people are not happy with that person.

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#2878902 4-Mar-2022 11:35

GV27:

Awesome, LOIs for those people now can't be updated and at-risk people won't find out if they've been exposed. Just fantastic stuff.

You just have to assume it's everywhere now & take as much personal responsibility as you can to avoid it. Wear a good mask, sanitise, maybe don't eat out for a bit etc.
You should be pretty safe shopping & the like with a good mask. For people with children though it will be very hard to avoid.

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#2878913 4-Mar-2022 11:46

On2or3wheels:

You just have to assume it's everywhere now & take as much personal responsibility as you can to avoid it. Wear a good mask, sanitise, maybe don't eat out for a bit etc.
You should be pretty safe shopping & the like with a good mask. For people with children though it will be very hard to avoid.

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We can't have lockdowns as no one wants that

We do have other minor measures such as passports, mandates, masks to help manage it

But we can't offer freedoms as well as zero Covid. We are pretty well vaxxed. I guess the issue ids those that arent yet vaxxed or are vulnerable, but we can't keep Covid out and no one wants measures to keep it out. Fortunately its not as bad as Delta

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#2878921 4-Mar-2022 12:14

On2or3wheels:

You just have to assume it's everywhere now & take as much personal responsibility as you can to avoid it. Wear a good mask, sanitise, maybe don't eat out for a bit etc.
You should be pretty safe shopping & the like with a good mask. For people with children though it will be very hard to avoid.

I understand this. I just think it sucks*.

"Maybe don't eat out for a bit" is a pretty charitable reading of what meaningfully trying to avoid Covid or vulnerable family members actually involves.

*Edited for less colourful language.

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#2878945 4-Mar-2022 12:49

But would LOI's really help you now? We'll reach a point where the supermarket for instance is full of people with covid.
If you isolated every time it would be a permanent isolation. Hopefully if your entire family also plays it safe it will be low risk when meeting up.
If you're really worried, keep the doors open when you meet up or be outside.

I don't want to catch it either & was all for the initial lock-downs, but unfortunately we couldn't even get rid of delta this way.

GV27:

I understand this. I just think it's bullshit.

"Maybe don't eat out for a bit" is a pretty charitable reading of what meaningfully trying to avoid Covid or vulnerable family members actually involves.

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#2878995 4-Mar-2022 12:55

mattwnz:

NZ is pretty vulnerable to a new variant with the borders essentially reopen, because by the time we find out, it will likely already be in NZ. This is what happened with omicron, and NZ was just lucky we hadn't opened the borders at that stage and were able to keep it out until vaccination rates had increased.

The issue is that it's widely expect that COVID isn't going away - probably ever. With that being the case, you basically could never open the border as there will always be a next variant - just like there are different flu strains every year.

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