2019 Novel Coronavirus Covid-19 Discussion

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#2918666 25-May-2022 23:21

And for what it is worth, the comparable plot for NSW.

As shown, in NSW for all age groups below 80, the number admitted to an ICU unit during their Covid illness considerably exceeded the number who died.

The striking difference between there and here is the numbers treated in ICU ... and that their numbers of deaths (per capita, per case, or per hospitalised case) are significantly lower than the corresponding NZ death rates.

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#2919380 27-May-2022 11:26

Radio NZ - Covid 19: Fourth vaccine dose announced for vulnerable groups

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A second booster dose will be made available to at-risk people with legislation adopted next month, the government has announced.

In a statement this morning, Covid-19 Response Minister Chris Hipkins confirmed people would be able to get their second booster dose six months after their first.

He said this fourth dose would cover several hundred thousand people in vulnerable groups, including elderly, aged care residents, and those in disability care facilities. ...

Hipkins said the legislation enabling all this was expected to be passed and take effect in mid-June ...

However, with the six-month gap, most would become eligible from July. ...

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#2919425 27-May-2022 13:32

We knew that was on the cards from one of the recent face-to-face with Dr Bloomfield
And was included in budget

He's also now isolating in Geneva After going +

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#2919633 28-May-2022 07:32

DS248:

thanks, math = fail lol

but what a shocker

you'd expect this sort of data in a 3rd world country

we had >>>2 years to do something to our healthcare ...

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#2920410 30-May-2022 15:03

DS248:

And for what it is worth, the comparable plot for NSW.

As shown, in NSW for all age groups below 80, the number admitted to an ICU unit during their Covid illness considerably exceeded the number who died.

The striking difference between there and here is the numbers treated in ICU ... and that their numbers of deaths (per capita, per case, or per hospitalised case) are significantly lower than the corresponding NZ death rates.

Keep in mind that we have some dedicated covid wards around. Just because a person isn't in an official ICU doesn't mean they aren't getting the care they require.
In ICU you would be restricted to only using negative pressure rooms for covid, & it would still create a dangerous risk to other very ill patients.

A dedicated ward means you can use the entire space & you can modify the HVAC to exhaust the air for the entire ward safely outside.

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#2920471 30-May-2022 16:19

DS248:

And for what it is worth, the comparable plot for NSW.

As shown, in NSW for all age groups below 80, the number admitted to an ICU unit during their Covid illness considerably exceeded the number who died.

The striking difference between there and here is the numbers treated in ICU ... and that their numbers of deaths (per capita, per case, or per hospitalised case) are significantly lower than the corresponding NZ death rates.

Are they reporting deaths the same as we are, i.e. deaths WITH Covid as opposed to death FROM Covid?

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#2936359 30-Jun-2022 10:46

China thinks wind is blowing covid from North Korea

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/china-thinks-wind-from-north-korea-is-blowing-covid-19-over-the-border/LJA6HARBEIMAPIX6PLMOGPYG64/

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#2936360 30-Jun-2022 10:49

Paul1977:

Are they reporting deaths the same as we are, i.e. deaths WITH Covid as opposed to death FROM Covid?

I did some reading while I was comparing these data and from memory yes they are meant to report all death with covid, but being such a large country with decentralised health systems it's not easy to regulate who reports what. in fact they nobody has any idea of what their numbers are.

this is what i base my statement on https://this.deakin.edu.au/society/counting-coronavirus-deaths

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#2936390 30-Jun-2022 11:00

Wow, a whole month between posts.

Does this show how much our (GZers) attitudes have changed to Covid-19?

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#2936400 30-Jun-2022 11:23

There's been more voices/external experiences in part said in the 'Covid and how it effects GZers' that coulda been here.

But yes. Other than a those staying with the original plan and pointing out how the rest of the nation is still pretty dumb. Perhaps many have decided to join.

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#2936403 30-Jun-2022 11:28

trig42: Wow, a whole month between posts.

Does this show how much our (GZers) attitudes have changed to Covid-19?

Nothing has changed, except the media playing down or ignoring the pandemic, and public apathy.

I'm the only person in my (fully vaccinated) family who has not had Covid.

I'm counting the days to my second booster, and keeping my head down.

EDIT The number of "active cases" is probably grossly under-estimated. Self-reporting is notoriously unreliable, for several obvious reasons.

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#2936406 30-Jun-2022 11:32

trig42:

Wow, a whole month between posts.

Does this show how much our (GZers) attitudes have changed to Covid-19?

No, its just the the government has lost interest in actually using the COVID policy like it was set up to do,

Orange was supposed to be

"Whole of health system is focusing resources but can manage – primary care, public health, and hospitals. "

Its quite clear that with Flu and other respiratory virii that the Health system is not Managing... but there is no likely hood that any of the restrictions will change to lower the COVID pressure...

I mean even masks in schools would be a good start,

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#2936532 30-Jun-2022 15:09

wellygary:

I mean even masks in schools would be a good start,

Press release:

New Zealand to remain at Orange as case numbers start to creep up
50 child-size masks made available to every year 4-7 student in New Zealand
20,000-30,000 masks provided a week to all other students and school staff
Extra funding to schools and early childhood services to supports better ventilation over the winter months
Free flu vaccine made available to all children aged 3-12 years old
Reinfection advice amended. Anyone who experiences symptoms 29 days or longer after previous infection should test and will need to isolate if they test positive.
The Government is taking action to help reduce the spread of COVID-19 in schools and early childhood services, COVID-19 Response Minster Dr Ayesha Verrall and Associate Education Minister Jan Tinetti announced today.

The country will remain at the Orange traffic light setting, with cases and hospitalisations remaining much lower than the peaks experienced earlier in the year. But with hospitals under pressure from flu and COVID and numbers starting to creep up again a suite of additional measures are being put in place to help reduce spread.

“Moving back to Red is unnecessary at the moment. We can continue to manage the virus at Orange, but are putting in place a range of additional measures to help manage a recent rise in cases,” Dr Ayesha Verrall said.

“Yesterday the seven-day rolling average of COVID-19 cases was 5,808 and there were 395 people in hospital and 8 in ICU. For comparison when we moved out of red in April the rolling average of cases was nearly 10,000 a day and there were over 500 people in hospital including 28 in ICU.

“However cases are ticking up and our health system is under pressure so we are putting in place a range of additional measures to help manage the virus over the coming winter months.

“The first thing we have already announced is the extension of the free flu vaccine to all children aged 3-12 and the provision of a second COVID-19 booster for everyone over the age of 50.

“Getting vaccinated is the number one thing New Zealanders can do to help relieve pressure on our health system this winter. We are seeing an overrepresentation of unvaccinated people in hospital admissions so we strongly urge everyone to make sure they are up to date with their vaccines.

“We are also updating our advice around reinfection and are now asking anyone experiencing COVID-19 symptoms 29 days or longer following their initial infection to test. Should they test positive they will need to isolate for 7 days.

“This is a change from earlier advice which was that people would not need to re-test if they had tested positive for COVID-19 within the past 90 days and is based on the latest international evidence and the need to isolate quickly people with reinfections.

“However household contacts who have had COVID-19 within 90 days won’t need to isolate, unless they are symptomatic. There is clear updated advice on what they should do to reduce risks to themselves and others.

“While reinfections are low at the moment they are likely to increase. The B.5 variant of Omicron is predicted to become the dominant strain in the country in the coming weeks and is a different variant to what most New Zealanders caught the first time around.

“With these measures, alongside additional support in schools and early childhood services, the Government is stepping up our response to help reduce the spread of COVID. We always said this was going to be a challenging winter and we need everyone to play their part to help us get through safely,” Dr Ayesha Verrall said.

The Government is also providing a range of measures to help schools reduce the risk of winter illness spreading.

“The Ministry of Education has already secured a supply of 10 million special child-sized masks and intends to have them ready for distribution at the start of Term 3,” Jan Tinetti said.

“This means there will be 50 child size masks provided for every child in years 4 to 7 in schools and Kura throughout the country from now until the end of the 2022.

“This is in addition to the adult sized mask offered to all school children from year 8 and up. Around 20,000-30,000 masks are already being distributed to students and staff every week across the country

“The Government will also be providing additional funding this winter to encourage schools and centre-based early childhood services to maintain healthy levels of heating and ventilation to help reduce colds, flu and COVID from spreading.

“Good ventilation over winter can lead to some heat loss and higher heating bills. The winter energy payments will help reassure schools and services that they can balance heating and ventilation, without unaffordable energy bills.

“The Government does not usually explicitly fund energy costs for services, but the COVID-19 pandemic is a unique situation. The scientific evidence is clear that good ventilation helps prevent the spread of COVID-19.”

“In addition the Government has already provided every school in New Zealand with CO2 monitors to help them identify spaces where maintaining good ventilation is proving more challenging, and bought more than 8,000 air cleaners to help improve the ventilation in these areas. Every school has access to more air cleaners at no cost if they need them to help supplement their approach to ventilation this winter.

“I want thank our teachers, principals and parents, who are doing a fantastic job at keeping infection rates down. I’m pleased we are able to provide this extra support to help get through winter,” Jan Tinetti said

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#2936577 30-Jun-2022 17:15

wellygary:

Orange was supposed to be

"Whole of health system is focusing resources but can manage – primary care, public health, and hospitals. "

Its quite clear that with Flu and other respiratory virii that the Health system is not Managing... but there is no likely hood that any of the restrictions will change to lower the COVID pressure...

Yes, the health system is not currently working as it should be, as many treatments are being delayed due to the system being overwhelmed. I wonder how many additional lives are being lost as a result of late diagnosis etc.So theoretically there are places that should be in red. But they aren't being held to account over it and it is now too political. As this isn't a politics thread, I don't want to add an more. But IMO it should have been taken out of the governments hands months ago, and had a dedicated unit setup.

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#2936579 30-Jun-2022 17:21

freitasm:

Press release:

Free flu vaccine made available to all children aged 3-12 years old
Reinfection advice amended. Anyone who experiences symptoms 29 days or longer after previous infection should test and will need to isolate if they test positive.

IMO the free flu vaccine should have been available to everyone in NZ months ago, and that would have cut down on the number of hospital admissions, and reduce the load on the hospitals. But that would just have been common sense. It is false economy not to have done this, when we have a cheap and easy way to reduce the number of people needing hospital treatment.

I still remember seeing the health minister cutting a cake celebrating 1,000,000 flu vaccines this year, which is only 20% of the population! I don't know why taxpayer money is wasted like that.

The previous reinfection advice was 90 days, incorrectly giving many people the impression that you can't be reinfected within 3 months. Now they have cut it to a month, which is more accurate. But don't we still have to wait 3 months to get the boaster if infected? It wouldn't surprise me if they have forgotten to update that.

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