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#1998829 18-Apr-2018 18:38

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To the OP, if you think it's unhealthy, don't eat there but don't try to impose your point of view upon others. Others might eat there occasionally because it's an option - I had McDonald's last night but wouldn't have everyday. It was the quick option for that day.

I made a point earlier in this thread of saying I don't have any problem with people enjoying fast food on an occasional basis. Like all things it is fine in moderation. I also am not trying to impose my point of view on anyone. I am stating what I feel, and why I think it is important. Others are free to disagree, as some are certainly doing. I think this is a real issue, not just a matter of taste.

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#1998830 18-Apr-2018 18:38

We as a family are really dynamic. We often have things happening all the time, and there are some weeks where we might eat out 5 times in a week. It's not our ideal and we try and mix up what we have, Sushi, McD's, Burgers, Mexican.

We have other times we would eat nutritious meals for 10 days straight, all home cooked with fresh ingredients, but from the outside, we might be seen, depending on the week, by some, to be "poisoning" our kids.

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#1998834 18-Apr-2018 18:43

Rikkitic:

freitasm:

To the OP, if you think it's unhealthy, don't eat there but don't try to impose your point of view upon others. Others might eat there occasionally because it's an option - I had McDonald's last night but wouldn't have everyday. It was the quick option for that day.

I made a point earlier in this thread of saying I don't have any problem with people enjoying fast food on an occasional basis. Like all things it is fine in moderation. I also am not trying to impose my point of view on anyone. I am stating what I feel, and why I think it is important. Others are free to disagree, as some are certainly doing. I think this is a real issue, not just a matter of taste.

By specifying how often people can eat what foods, you are trying to control what they eat.

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#1998838 18-Apr-2018 18:45

Rikkitic:

The eating habits of New Zealanders have become a medical emergency. Drastic times call for drastic measures. But I will quit going on about it if you agree that all drugs should be legalised. We might as well have a level playing field.

The fatal flaw in your argument is recreational drugs are a choice, eating isn't.

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#1998839 18-Apr-2018 18:47

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No one forces people into these restaurants, nor to shovel this food into their mouths. It's disappointing to see you trying to control what people can eat. I'd be surprised to see you react kindly to being told what you can and can't eat.

Even worse you want to tax those who sell it! If there wasn't an interest in it, they wouldn't be here.

It's not my cup of tea but I am for options so if I feel so inclined to "poison myself to death" eating it, I can.

Sometimes your views seem hypocritical to me.

Exactly.

On what basis does the OP feel they have the ability, or right, to control my personal food choices?

I probably won't eat there. But that's mostly because I don't like that type of food. But if I wanted to eat a taco, or even ten each and every day of the week, that's nobody's business but my own.

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#1998878 18-Apr-2018 18:56

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The fatal flaw in your argument is recreational drugs are a choice, eating isn't.

Eating crap is.

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#1998879 18-Apr-2018 18:56

Rikkitic:

networkn:

The fatal flaw in your argument is recreational drugs are a choice, eating isn't.

Eating crap is.

Sure, and so it should be. A choice.

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#1998883 18-Apr-2018 19:07

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On what basis does the OP feel they have the ability, or right, to control my personal food choices?

I probably won't eat there. But that's mostly because I don't like that type of food. But if I wanted to eat a taco, or even ten each and every day of the week, that's nobody's business but my own.

What makes you think they are your choices?

Anyway, I'm not sure how we landed here. I'm not trying to tell people what to do, though somehow that seems to be the impression that has been created. I am expressing alarm at our eating habits coupled with some worrisome health statistics and wondering aloud if this has anything to do with the number of American (in origin, regardless of local franchise ownership) fast food outlets dominating our cityscapes. I think it is unfortunate but of course people have a right to eat whatever they like. I just hope they don't regret it later.

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#1998911 18-Apr-2018 19:33

Rikkitic:

JimmyH:

On what basis does the OP feel they have the ability, or right, to control my personal food choices?

I probably won't eat there. But that's mostly because I don't like that type of food. But if I wanted to eat a taco, or even ten each and every day of the week, that's nobody's business but my own.

What makes you think they are your choices?

Anyway, I'm not sure how we landed here. I'm not trying to tell people what to do, though somehow that seems to be the impression that has been created. I am expressing alarm at our eating habits coupled with some worrisome health statistics and wondering aloud if this has anything to do with the number of American (in origin, regardless of local franchise ownership) fast food outlets dominating our cityscapes. I think it is unfortunate but of course people have a right to eat whatever they like. I just hope they don't regret it later.

We landed here because you came up with a "solution": tax the food so people eat less of that.

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#1998927 18-Apr-2018 19:44

Somebody asked what could be done, I suggested that as one possibility. I don't think it is actually a bad idea but I'm sure there are others.

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#1998930 18-Apr-2018 19:49

@Rikkitic:

Somebody asked what could be done, I suggested that as one possibility. I don't think it is actually a bad idea but I'm sure there are others.

What was the question really?

What can we do to prevent people eating things that may cause health problems later? or
What can we do to unfairly target people that eat these cheaper foods because it's the more accessible option?

A tax will answer the second question. Education might answer the first.

Tax is not an answer to the bigger question.

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#1998939 18-Apr-2018 20:01

It was a quick answer. I am not the first to suggest it. Maybe if I think about it for awhile I can come up with something better, or someone smarter than I am can. I think it is an important issue. Of course there is no harm to enjoying the occasional hamburger, or KFC or whatever, but there are real health issues in this country and they seem to be related to overconsumption of this kind of food. Everyone pays for this so the question is whether there is any way to redress that.

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#1998948 18-Apr-2018 20:12

Rikkitic:

Just to be clear, I don't have any problem with families who enjoy takeaway once a week. The problem is when people eat it all the time, and many do. There is a reason why we are the third-fattest nation in the world with one of the highest rates for bowel cancer. Subway isn't all that great either. They come out very poor on fat content. Try Indian some time. That is generally a better fast food option.

Why is it the fast food outlets fault if people eat there all the time? I would suggest a night out at somewhere like KFC, McD's would be a treat for most families. Taxing this type food will penalise them.

Tax is a blunt instrument to fixing this problem. Education and nutritional/ food preparation training is what is really needed.

Regarding fat content. Fat and protein are not always a problem it's when you add carbohydrates in the wrong proportions the problems start. The body will burn carbohydrates first and if it doesn't need the fat energy right now it stores it as body fat for later use. Fat has often been incorrectly seen as the enemy.

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#1998963 18-Apr-2018 20:42

Rikkitic:

Anyway, I'm not sure how we landed here.

I think you re-read the topic title, then you re-read all your first 5 posts, it should be very very obvious how we got here.

You blame the people who supply the food rather than those who eat it. People need to accept responsibility for their own choices.

Education is the key, and as I have mentioned a few times in a few threads where this topic is touched on, I think it's happening. The current generation are too far gone, but the primary kids at school are being drilled on food pyramids, moderation in all things, how to be good earth citizens. My son and now my daughter are aware of what they eat. It's pretty hard to get too much junk in them as they both know what is too much. Alex ate 2 easter eggs on easter, his cousin ate about 12.

A nice story from my sons school came from seeing one of his friends parents at the start of 2017 and the end of 2017. Both parents had dropped what I estimate to be the better part of 30KG. I commented on it. They attributed the change to the persistence of their then 7 year old who kept talking about occasional foods and asking for fruit. They decided to do that with her. She was keen to excercise, so they did that too. Those situations in reality are really rare, which is why I think the current generation are beyond help, but the next generation, my kids age, will be much better.

We have spent time talking to our kids about eating food that LOOKS like real food. IE apples look like apples, not like powder.

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#1998968 18-Apr-2018 20:47

Great post. You give me hope. You are also right about personal responsibility, of course. I still don't think this country needs another fast food chain. Hopefully people will exercise their choice and it will go broke.

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