2019 Novel Coronavirus Covid-19 Discussion

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#2449695 29-Mar-2020 19:12

Tinkerisk:

The whole family is considered as infected as long the test result will not be negative. The whole family should ask neighbours for food supply with no physical contact.

A pity. The data from China indicated that transmission inside families was only 10% so it's possible that people are going to get infected now that wouldn't have been if the infected person had been immediately isolated inside the family home.

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#2449696 29-Mar-2020 19:15

gchiu:
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I can’t resist: Shan Soe-Lin and Robert Hecht (clinical professor of epidemiology at the Yale School of Public Health) say “Guidance against wearing masks for the coronavirus is wrong – you should cover your face”.

Sadly, there are a number of people here who won't put up with any criticisms of the NZ health dept's advice and will accuse you of undermining the efforts of our leadership.

I'm guessing your passive aggression is directed at me this time. Where has there been any issue with criticism? I certainly have an issue with passive aggressive snide and insulting comments.

There is a serious difference.

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#2449697 29-Mar-2020 19:15

vexxxboy:

yet Michael Osterholm says the surgical masks are a complete waste of time

A surgical mask has less filtering ability than a FFP1. They are used to stop the user from infecting someone else.

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#2449698 29-Mar-2020 19:17

gchiu:

Tinkerisk:

The whole family is considered as infected as long the test result will not be negative. The whole family should ask neighbours for food supply with no physical contact.

A pity. The data from China indicated that transmission inside families was only 10% so it's possible that people are going to get infected now that wouldn't have been if the infected person had been immediately isolated inside the family home.

That's not in people's common sense (at least of Germans) and you don't have enough ressources to test everybody (for what purpose? If you are negative today, it doesn't say you will be negative after next two days).

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#2449699 29-Mar-2020 19:18

dejadeadnz:
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No, from the description the police asked him to go back to his nearer store. They didn't say he wasn't allowed to be out for that.

Precisely. And it sounds like the police was upholding the actual words and spirit of the law.

So for the sake of 2km by this logic it is better that we travel to two separate locations with greater total distance and exposing more risk by having to go into two stores.

Here is a crazy notion, lets give peace a chance.

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#2449700 29-Mar-2020 19:38

Just to give you an impression: the German government is making the greatest effort to bridge the economic shortfalls for companies and businesses with loans. The state budget is in debt without hesitation over the next 20 years. This is not a runny nose and the history will speak of "before" and "after Corona".

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#2449701 29-Mar-2020 19:40

Meanwhile in Australia, we still have landlords claiming they will without hesitation evict people in the middle of this crisis for losing their jobs and being unable to pay rent. I must say, crisis brings out the absolute worst in people.

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#2449703 29-Mar-2020 19:47

And the absolute best. You see what you look for.

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#2449705 29-Mar-2020 19:49

Kyanar:

Meanwhile in Australia, we still have landlords claiming they will without hesitation evict people in the middle of this crisis for losing their jobs and being unable to pay rent. I must say, crisis brings out the absolute worst in people.

It's happening in NZ as well. A landlord with a clue will be supporting their tenants as best they can, it's not like you'll be able to let it to anyone in this climate.

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#2449706 29-Mar-2020 19:49

I live in Australia. Lately I haven't seen a great many examples of the best. Not none, surely, but I am dismayed by the attitudes displayed lately. I mean just go look at Bondi Beach after the restrictions amped up.

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#2449707 29-Mar-2020 19:52

gchiu:

Sadly, there are a number of people here who won't put up with any criticisms of the NZ health dept's advice and will accuse you of undermining the efforts of our leadership.

What I am guessing people have a problem with is your incessant carping and cheap one-liners against people who are doing their best. All that is set against a background of you holding quite extremist positions like calling out a NHS professor whose opinion that you apparently don't like as some kind of rank amateur unqualified to give opinions on the virus if he's not an immunologist. It's fine to hold powers that be to account and to critically evaluate their responses -- but all you seem to want to do is making snide comments, all spread out across posts that are predominantly nothing but snide comments.

And your latest trick seems to be taking potshots at others in the thread. It's the mods' call but I for one can't see what you are adding to this discussion.

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#2449708 29-Mar-2020 19:54

MikeB4:

So for the sake of 2km by this logic it is better that we travel to two separate locations with greater total distance and exposing more risk by having to go into two stores.

How close is the closest Chemist from home?

If it's the 9 km one then it would've been best to only mention Chemist?

I went to Chemist to get prescription for someone one day before lock down, had to tell what wanted at door, line up with gap each person outside, and only one person in store at time to pay.

Don't know what Supermarket like, but Chemist shop approach should be lower risk if all rules be followed, less risk of close contact with people.

If picking up a prescription medication have to go to chemist Doctor sent to or got original one from if repeat. Wonder how police handle that one if not closest.

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#2449709 29-Mar-2020 19:55

Kyanar:

Meanwhile in Australia, we still have landlords claiming they will without hesitation evict people in the middle of this crisis for losing their jobs and being unable to pay rent. I must say, crisis brings out the absolute worst in people.

Here it's vice versa. There are more and more landlords willing to take their part of the crisis and either to skip the rent for a while or having enough time to pay it back later. Government has locked the rules not to be able to evict anybody in the next weeks.

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#2449714 29-Mar-2020 20:04

gchiu:

vexxxboy:

yet Michael Osterholm says the surgical masks are a complete waste of time

A surgical mask has less filtering ability than a FFP1. They are used to stop the user from infecting someone else.

which is what i said

Common sense is not as common as you think.