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#1883026 13-Oct-2017 14:47

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Folks on low income often do not have the luxury of being very selective in what they can eat. Their budget means they can usually buy once a pay cycle so food needs to be long lasting. Unfortunately a lot of the healthier options have short shelf life such as fresh veges and fruit. They buy what will last and what they can afford.

I don't believe that. It's about being educated about buying and preparing food and it does take some time. Fast food is and should be a luxury. In-season fresh and healthy food can be inexpensive but you have to know what you are doing. Countdown run a "Feed 4 for $15" promotion that is reasonably healthy (but does assume you have salt&pepper, milk, butter etc so is slightly underpriced). You can't eat dinner at Maccas for that little.

So many people these days have no clue as they were never shown by their own parents and listen to too many people who are saying it's excusable to live on junk because it's too hard and expensive to do otherwise.

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#1883027 13-Oct-2017 14:53

Dulouz:

MikeB4:

Dulouz:

MikeB4:

Folks on low income often do not have the luxury of being very selective in what they can eat. Their budget means they can usually buy once a pay cycle so food needs to be long lasting. Unfortunately a lot of the healthier options have short shelf life such as fresh veges and fruit. They buy what will last and what they can afford.

Frozen vegetables are cheaper than fresh, last up to 12 months and are just as nutritious. Apples and oranges last ages as well.

You assume they can afford a freezer.

You're really grasping at straws now.

I spent over quarter of century dealing with this , I am not grasping at straws its reality.

Here is a crazy notion, lets give peace a chance.

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#1883028 13-Oct-2017 14:56

... then you should know that the number of people without a freezer is very small and the number of people with obesity is very large, so your hypothesis is somewhat flawed.

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#1883031 13-Oct-2017 15:02

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MikeB4:

Folks on low income often do not have the luxury of being very selective in what they can eat. Their budget means they can usually buy once a pay cycle so food needs to be long lasting. Unfortunately a lot of the healthier options have short shelf life such as fresh veges and fruit. They buy what will last and what they can afford.

I don't believe that. It's about being educated about buying and preparing food and it does take some time. Fast food is and should be a luxury. In-season fresh and healthy food can be inexpensive but you have to know what you are doing. Countdown run a "Feed 4 for $15" promotion that is reasonably healthy (but does assume you have salt&pepper, milk, butter etc so is slightly underpriced). You can't eat dinner at Maccas for that little.

So many people these days have no clue as they were never shown by their own parents and listen to too many people who are saying it's excusable to live on junk because it's too hard and expensive to do otherwise.

I disagree, I spend over 25 years dealing with this, helping folks budget, teaching them how to shop, etc etc . If you have $20 left after paying bills and rent/mortgage have no fridge or freezer or anywhere to grow your own(if you can afford to start that) the options available are very thin. A lot of the "fresh" produce is not that fresh and goes bad very quickly as it has spent often months in coolers. I have worked with families that could only afford to eat once a day and not every day. I would often buy food for them myself as I couldn't leave kids hungry.

Then there is the ability to cook, power is an expensive item and many just could not afford to use the oven and often had the power disconnected or had not funds to pay the power on the go.

It was not that these folks did not have a clue they simply don't have the resources.

Here is a crazy notion, lets give peace a chance.

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#1883032 13-Oct-2017 15:03

kryptonjohn:

... then you should know that the number of people without a freezer is very small and the number of people with obesity is very large, so your hypothesis is somewhat flawed.

Really?

Here is a crazy notion, lets give peace a chance.

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#1883035 13-Oct-2017 15:11

Use your imagination about what it's like to be poor .

I used to live next door to a HNZ family and for that 7 years I didn't hear their phone ring .

Most of the posters in this thread are just like chimpanzees on MDMA, full of feelings of bonhomie, joy, and optimism. Fred99 8/4/21

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#1883040 13-Oct-2017 15:14

Dulouz:

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The correlation with IQ (causal or not) doesn't explain the increasing epidemic.

I never said it did. I said IQ plays a part. Like many issues it is complicated and there are many factors at play. Some more important than others. I think the most important is what and how much you eat.

Sure. But I don't think that highlighting a correlation between IQ and obesity is useful. Overweight people face enough negative stereotyping already, and those probably tend to exacerbate issues they face.

Being clever doesn't necessarily guide you through "good choices" in what you eat either. As you say, it's complicated - there's no consensus on many issues, and a lot of outdated data in circulation, as well as crappy industry funded research. There's too much to take in / assess.

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#1883042 13-Oct-2017 15:18

MikeB4:

kryptonjohn:

... then you should know that the number of people without a freezer is very small and the number of people with obesity is very large, so your hypothesis is somewhat flawed.

Really?

Of course.

There are some impoverished people don't. But the correlation to obesity is statistically weak.

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#1883046 13-Oct-2017 15:29

It's about education not opportunity in this country.

https://www.govt.nz/browse/tax-benefits-and-finance/benefits/temporary-additional-support/#who-can-get-it

https://www.workandincome.govt.nz/eligibility/urgent-costs/whiteware.html

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#1883047 13-Oct-2017 15:40

kryptonjohn:

It's about education not opportunity in this country.

https://www.govt.nz/browse/tax-benefits-and-finance/benefits/temporary-additional-support/#who-can-get-it

https://www.workandincome.govt.nz/eligibility/urgent-costs/whiteware.html

I am sorry but get real. You need to go out and have a good look around you, you owe it to yourself.

Here is a crazy notion, lets give peace a chance.

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#1883065 13-Oct-2017 16:13

@kryptonjohn I deleted your last post, try again with formatting please.

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#1883067 13-Oct-2017 16:16

Hmm, didn't paste the table nicely. couldn't you have just remove the formatted bit? Gotta run need to catch the transport...

IIRC the 1995 stats had 98% refrigerator ownership in the lowest income quartile.

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#1883069 13-Oct-2017 16:25

kryptonjohn:

Hmm, didn't paste the table nicely. couldn't you have just remove the formatted bit? Gotta run need to catch the transport...

IIRC the 1995 stats had 98% refrigerator ownership in the lowest income quartile.

22 years ago, hmm yeah that's relevant.

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#1883072 13-Oct-2017 16:29

Fridges are cheaper now too.

At least I dug out some stats and references rather than rely on anecdote and argumentum ad verecundiam.

33% obesity. What percentage of households do *you* think lack a fridge and how is the suggestion that fridge ownership is a factor in obesity stats hold up?

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#1883180 13-Oct-2017 21:52

kryptonjohn:

Fridges are cheaper now too.

And far less reliable.

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