2019 Novel Coronavirus Covid-19 Discussion

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#2458779 10-Apr-2020 10:05

cshwone:
So how do we deal with Essential Workers who live in one DHB area and are required for work in another?

Make them stay in their work area if they're that essential.

I partially jest, however I live in the Wairarapa but work in Manawatu. Normally I stay in the Manawatu during the week, and go home each weekend. I haven't been home for 3 weeks now, with at least another two still looming. If they lock us to districts, it could be a lot longer before I am able to see my wife / home.

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#2458780 10-Apr-2020 10:07

cshwone:

So how do we deal with Essential Workers who live in one DHB area and are required for work in another?

My answer to this and questions like it would be we do the best we can. No system can ever be perfect, but doing the best we can in the circumstances seems to be working so far.

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#2458784 10-Apr-2020 10:15

Rikkitic:

cshwone:

So how do we deal with Essential Workers who live in one DHB area and are required for work in another?

My answer to this and questions like it would be we do the best we can. No system can ever be perfect, but doing the best we can in the circumstances seems to be working so far.

Surely the same proof of essential work that people carry at the moment would cover this?

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#2458796 10-Apr-2020 10:46

ben28:
we can't possibly support mandatory quarantine when thousands of people are still coming in.

I agree, but we can limit arrivals to match our capacity. Even at 500 a day we can return 180,000 kiwis in a year
If a non kiwi wants to come ( eg for business purposes then make them pay including a profit margin)
Hopefully over time the quarantine period can be reduced but we can’t let the tail wag the dog on this issue.

Seriously? We dont want this to go on for a year. They are almost all here, only 40 came in yesterday, the rest are in isolation. Sorted. The tail is 99% gone

cshwone:

So how do we deal with Essential Workers who live in one DHB area and are required for work in another

I think that's overthinking. Stay at home will soon mean stay local. Same town, maybe including closer outer small towns, maybe they will say a 30 minute drive, its just keep local, be sensible.

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#2458817 10-Apr-2020 11:22

Seth talks about New Zealand, at 2 minute mark.

Before I get a snide remark that this is just Trump bashing, I'd like to bring up that Trump leads the US, the US has more cases than the next three countries combined, 5X more than China.

Before you say, Seth is just rehashing the past, Trump is now "betting the farm" on an untested medical treatment, which I hope for everyone in the world's sake, his hunch is correct.

If Trump screws up the US strategy, it'll mean a thousand of body bags, and more misery for the survivors world-wide than needed.

Trump Wants Everyone to Forget He Ignored Repeated Coronavirus Warnings

Late Night with Seth Meyers: A Closer Look

Seth takes a closer look at the president speculating about an unproven medical treatment for coronavirus after ignoring repeated warnings about the threat of a pandemic.

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#2458837 10-Apr-2020 11:56

tdgeek:

I hope they delay Level 3 to after Anzac Day, so its a BAU working week when it kicks in. And the public HAS to be told that its not a relax time, its an easier Level 4, and if we see clusters breaking out its back to Level 4. Its actually time to take more care than Level 4, as stay at home took over that care for 4 weeks, now we have to manage it individually. I want them to tell people that if you get any symptoms that "could" be the virus, call Healthline, etc, nothing has really changed. Very little has changed, in fact Level 3 is more a worry than 4, as humans need to take more responsibility, and evidence to date shows thats often not great.

If you dont want Level 4, be good at level 3

Anzac Day only gives you a handful of trading days until 1st of May commercial rent payments for many businesses. I can see the logic in pushing past the long weekend but it's going to be effectively a second day of reckoning similar to the day before lockdown for businesses.

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#2458846 10-Apr-2020 12:08

GV27:

tdgeek:

I hope they delay Level 3 to after Anzac Day, so its a BAU working week when it kicks in. And the public HAS to be told that its not a relax time, its an easier Level 4, and if we see clusters breaking out its back to Level 4. Its actually time to take more care than Level 4, as stay at home took over that care for 4 weeks, now we have to manage it individually. I want them to tell people that if you get any symptoms that "could" be the virus, call Healthline, etc, nothing has really changed. Very little has changed, in fact Level 3 is more a worry than 4, as humans need to take more responsibility, and evidence to date shows thats often not great.

If you dont want Level 4, be good at level 3

Anzac Day only gives you a handful of trading days until 1st of May commercial rent payments for many businesses. I can see the logic in pushing past the long weekend but it's going to be effectively a second day of reckoning similar to the day before lockdown for businesses.

Does that make much difference? The only issue right now is controlling the virus. The sooner its controlled the sooner more businesses can trade openly. That 5 days could be significant to capture any later infections during the lockdown. The issue is if we focussed more on business than containment, the alert levels will go on and on.

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#2458853 10-Apr-2020 12:10

Just been out for a stroll here in Masterton for about an hour and for something to do whilst walking I counted the number of cars that went past.

In 55 minutes - 43 and that was not on a main road. Given that the only traffic today should be essential workers as the supermarkets are closed I hope this is not being replicated throughout the country.

As a microcosm of NZ it's very disappointing.

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#2458888 10-Apr-2020 13:04

A second death reported in the south island.

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#2458897 10-Apr-2020 13:15

44 cases, thats good. The second death was a 90's lady with other issues. Didn't quite the number but yesterdays test numbers are the highest. Most cases linked to known other cases or overseas.

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#2458898 10-Apr-2020 13:18

tdgeek:
44 cases, thats good. The second death was a 90's lady with other issues. Didn't quite the number but yesterdays test numbers are the highest. Most cases linked to known other cases or overseas.

The complete 44 is not confirmed think it was 29 confirmed of the 44

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#2458904 10-Apr-2020 13:32

Linux:
tdgeek:

44 cases, thats good. The second death was a 90's lady with other issues. Didn't quite the number but yesterdays test numbers are the highest. Most cases linked to known other cases or overseas.

The complete 44 is not confirmed think it was 29 confirmed of the 44

Yep, thats how they do it now. If any probables are tested and are positive they move retrospectively to Confirmed. But as she says, they dont test all probables. If its a close contact and then get Covid symptoms, they may just count it as probable and leave it at that.

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#2458915 10-Apr-2020 14:03

DarthKermit:

A second death reported in the south island.

~~From what i'm reading, the health ministry says they don't know how she got infected? alarm bells?~~

known cluster from rest home in chch, though source of the cluster is unknown ...

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#2458917 10-Apr-2020 14:12

Batman:
DarthKermit:

A second death reported in the south island.

From what i'm reading, the health ministry says they don't know how she got infected? alarm bells?

At the media conference I thought she said that the 90 year old was one of the cases from the rest home where there is a cluster of cases?

Also it was confirmed in this media conference today that some probable cases are in clusters that haven't been tested such as rest homes. Where they can't test people without causing distress to those older people who may not understand what is going on. Eg some may have dementia

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#2458921 10-Apr-2020 14:17

networkn:

Apologies if this has been posted, I only peer into this thread occasionally:

https://medium.com/@jurgenthoelen/belgian-dutch-study-why-in-times-of-covid-19-you-can-not-walk-run-bike-close-to-each-other-a5df19c77d08

On the basis of these results the scientist advises that for walking the distance of people moving in the same direction in 1 line should be at least 4–5 meter,for running and slow biking it should be 10 meters and for hard biking at least 20 meters.

This isn't a published study and has no real detail published. It is more relevant than Karen on Facebook but not yet much more than a working theory.

https://www.vice.com/amp/en_us/article/v74az9/the-viral-study-about-runners-spreading-coronavirus-is-not-actually-a-study

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