2019 Novel Coronavirus Covid-19 Discussion

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#2492708 27-May-2020 12:32

frankv:

Yeah, and, completely unrelated, NZF got big donations from the racing industry. I think horse racing is a big part of him wanting open trans-Tasman travel. Horses and trainers and jockeys to come and go to the big races, buyers to come here and buy yearlings, etc.

Im not so sure. Harness Racing wise, we start up in November, the Grand Circuit is AUS about then, sales around then too. Its likely that that will all be BAU the way things are right now. Its off season here, pretty quiet even in BAU time. (Harness Racing restarts tomorrow in NZ fron Covid ban) I think the timing is off for that to have an effect. I feel its hedging his bets, a man for all parties, he's gone as far to say we should already be in Level 1 and already have the Tasman bubble up and running (despite AUS needs to say yes from their end)

I think the silly seaon is here, who cares about the official campaign date. :-)

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#2492736 27-May-2020 13:06

Please discuss the new NZ COVID Āwhina app for health workers here.

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#2492741 27-May-2020 13:14

Tv didn't televise it but was on health ministry YouTube live.

They recommend to cabinet 4wks of lvl 2. Cabinet makes the decision from that recommendation

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#2492754 27-May-2020 13:33

Oblivian: Tv didn't televise it but was on health ministry YouTube live.

They recommend to cabinet 4wks of lvl 2. Cabinet makes the decision from that recommendation

We went to Level 2 on 14 May... 4 weeks would take us to 11 June, just after the review on the 8th June...

Even Dr Bloomfield is now saying "there is no community transmission" so going to Level 1 on 11 June should be foregone conclusion...

It will also satisfy the epidemiologists who have been saying we need 4 weeks of no new cases (exc imports).... the last time we had a real "new" case was 11th May...

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#2492806 27-May-2020 13:46

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i bet there are reporters reading this thread lol

If there are any, could they start raising a stink about the total nonfunctionality of the MoH contact-tracing mechanism? It's so broken it's essentially nonexistent.

Maybe this is the way to deal with Winnie the Peters, tell him he can have level 1 when the MoH's contact tracing is working properly. It's a win/win, either he'll get it sorted or he'll shut up about level 1.

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#2492814 27-May-2020 13:54

The US passed a hundred thousand dead earlier today.

The number is now just below the combined death toll from every war they've been in in the last seventy years.

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#2492826 27-May-2020 14:15

While Airline crews have been highlighted.
( Hopefully we have implemented independent monitoring given people with airline experience are available for this work. )

Other concern is to monitor Crews on Ships ,Fishing boats.
Vulnerable often low paid workers who are of necessity living in close confines, under total control of their employer.
Heaven forbid we get pressure for trans-Tasman bubble to resume cruise ships !
Though private cruising yachts are still able to come.

Its similar to the Singapore situation where migrant workers were overlooked, unprotected or monitored.

https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/world/417609/kuwaiti-livestock-ship-held-off-australia-due-to-covid-19-outbreak

https://eveningreport.nz/2020/05/27/foreign-fishing-boats-become-new-covid-19-threat-for-pacific-nations/

Hopefully our Government will be keeping an eye on this.

The stories of how some of these crews are treated can be horrific.
We have had from time to time had rust buckets arrive in our ports with unpaid crews tossed on the wharf, or had to rescue them from ship sinking at sea.
Could be a risk if ship owner does not want bad c19 publicity or expensive interruption to their schedule.

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#2492833 27-May-2020 14:22

neb:
Batman:

i bet there are reporters reading this thread lol

If there are any, could they start raising a stink about the total nonfunctionality of the MoH contact-tracing mechanism? It's so broken it's essentially nonexistent. Maybe this is the way to deal with Winnie the Peters, tell him he can have level 1 when the MoH's contact tracing is working properly. It's a win/win, either he'll get it sorted or he'll shut up about level 1.

If crashing the economy is based on hiring 1000 staff ....

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#2492882 27-May-2020 15:23

Gawd the media are stupid,

https://www.stuff.co.nz/the-press/news/300021982/coronavirus-two-active-covid19-cases-remaining-in-canterburysaying the

"There are just two active cases of coronavirus remaining in Canterbury.

A nurse in her 20s was confirmed as having Covid-19 on May 1 and a toddler was confirmed to have the virus on May 15."

The toddler has already recovered, - as shown by the cases by age breakdown every day

Age Group 0-9

Active 0

Recovered 36

Deceased 0

Total 36

https://www.health.govt.nz/our-work/diseases-and-conditions/covid-19-novel-coronavirus/covid-19-current-situation/covid-19-current-cases#age

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#2492965 27-May-2020 16:40

wellygary:

there is no community transmission

Is he using those words exactly?.

The problem is, economic costs of any risk of another outbreak, and going back to level 4 could be dire according to the reserve bank today. 18% unemployment, and House prices halving in value (good for first time buyers, but not good to banks), and viability of banks could be 'called into question'.

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#2492977 27-May-2020 17:06

mattwnz:

wellygary:

there is no community transmission

Is he using those words exactly?.

https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/417651/no-new-cases-of-covid-19-nobody-in-hospital-with-the-coronavirusat

at 18: 30

in reference to wearing masks

"the use of masks needs to be put in the context of the situation we are in right now, in alert level 2 going to alert level 1, with a record 5 day in a row with no cases , and really no evidence of community transmission..."

He will know the case histories of the remaining 21 cases, and know they are very close to being "recovered" he knows the 3 cases in the last 2 weeks have all been either fully recovered cases ( weak postives) , or very close to recovered ( the toddler vanished from active cases in 5 days ) ...

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#2493069 27-May-2020 18:24

Very much so. We had ONE pain. ONE. Not ongoing month after month and its still on us. Our issue now is can we holiday on the Gold Coast, thats quite a turnaround.

Not dismissing the effect on the economy, but IMHO that was unavoidable, and it was relatively short, well placed to build on that now. Dodged a bullet, still need to be careful though.

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#2493076 27-May-2020 18:34

With "Now that it's clear it's not, we'll be shifting the focus for that testing to the border because that's the area where we will have the most risk."

I have to wonder if 'a stick up your nose' becomes a condition of entry with perhaps a shortened ~48hr stay at a hotel quarantine to allow testing results backed by tight itinerary tracing regime may be on the cards.

Bet those pencils and toys are being thrown across the room!

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#2493082 27-May-2020 18:45

Oblivian:

With "Now that it's clear it's not, we'll be shifting the focus for that testing to the border because that's the area where we will have the most risk."

I have to wonder if 'a stick up your nose' becomes a condition of entry with perhaps a shortened ~48hr stay at a hotel quarantine to allow testing results backed by tight itinerary tracing regime may be on the cards.

Bet those pencils and toys are being thrown across the room!

Maybe early stuff like you can ski in Queenstown but stay in Queenstown rather than tiki tour everywhere? Im not sure where the states are at, but if a state has had zero cases for 14 days, that aligns with us, so should be no different than a Timaru family skiing or an AUS family?

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