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  #2697879 25-Apr-2021 19:22
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invisibleman18: Haven't read much of the detail so sorry if this is dumb, but what actual difference to healthcare will be made beyond all the money that will need to be spent on changing signage, uniforms and stationery? For the guy in the news who couldn't access specialty cancer care in Southland, what difference does this make if there is still no specialty facility in the region?


There's no detail published, but hopefully it means a single national system for patient information. So if a Gore person has an accident in Kaitaia, their health information will be as accessible as if they were in Southland. And, when they get back to Gore, the details of their accident and treatment will be available to Southland doctors.


It may mean a redistribution of specialists up and down the country, so that there is more equal access to services. But I wouldn't hold my breath on that. I suspect more likely there will be a reduction in the number of locations that uncommon specialties are available, because that will save some money. So more people will have to travel to Auckland than at present. In the long term, it will mean more hospital consolidation (because there's no local control), so small hospitals closing, and shrinking of some medium-sized ones (e.g. Whanganui) where they're close to another large one.


Probably there will be some money saved by having only one set of software licenses instead of 20, although no doubt the price of each single large license will be close to the price of 20 small ones. Probably there will be a bit of money saved by having one high-powered board and management instead of 20 small ones, but I expect the high-powered people will get paid more, and there will be more layers on the pyramid. Probably there will be some money saved by having one large set of IT, HR, and other support services instead of 20 small ones, but probably not much... there will be more layers on the pyramid, and there will still be a need to have support people on-site at each hospital. And maybe the money saved will be used to improve services, but more likely it will shrink the Health budget.


 



Tony Blair tried that in the UK. Spent the equivalent of $30 billion on a computer system that was scrapped before ever being used.

Hopefully we can do better!







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  #2697920 25-Apr-2021 22:23
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Did the amalgamation of Auckland Council ever end up saving money?





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  #2698035 26-Apr-2021 11:48
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Zeon:

 

Did the amalgamation of Auckland Council ever end up saving money?

 

 

Yes.

 

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/local-government/123135757/auckland-council-super-city-merger-not-perfect-but-better-than-what-came-before




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  #2698047 26-Apr-2021 12:22
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$5.5m annually spend in Board fees. Value for money?


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  #2698050 26-Apr-2021 12:44
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BlinkyBill:

 

$5.5m annually spend in Board fees. Value for money?

 

 

Seems a bit high but it it 8 Councils worth. The savings are well north of that figure, well north.


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  #2698109 26-Apr-2021 13:51
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tdgeek:

 

BlinkyBill:

 

$5.5m annually spend in Board fees. Value for money?

 

 

Seems a bit high but it it 8 Councils worth. The savings are well north of that figure, well north.

 

 

what savings?


 
 
 

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  #2698110 26-Apr-2021 13:56
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BlinkyBill:

 

tdgeek:

 

Seems a bit high but it it 8 Councils worth. The savings are well north of that figure, well north.

 

 

what savings?

 

 

Article which was linked by driller2000 mentions a few - suggest you have a read. Ultimately it would be hard to get an exact dollar figure against a counterfactual that doesn't exist. But it seems obvious the Auckland supercity is better than 8 separate councils trodding on each others toes.


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  #2698203 26-Apr-2021 17:02
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BlinkyBill:

 

what savings?

 

 

As Anton said, read it...

 

Any venture like this or the health scenario, won't provide unbelievable savings. ACC said it wont reduce rates but it will provide more value, that seems to be the case. The health scenario will do the same, it will be more efficient. Its a very complex process so that gives lots of leeway for the naysayers to bitch about it. Which is probably the "need" for this thread...


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  #2698205 26-Apr-2021 17:06
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Crossed wires. This thread is about the nationalisation of Health and removal of 20 DHB’s, for which $5.5m fees are paid annually to DHB Board members.

 

Auckland Council was some time ago.


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  #2698253 26-Apr-2021 17:17
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BlinkyBill:

 

Crossed wires. This thread is about the nationalisation of Health and removal of 20 DHB’s, for which $5.5m fees are paid annually to DHB Board members.

 

Auckland Council was some time ago.

 

 

Not crossed, a valid comparison. Is 5.5 million for 20 DHB's excessive? 20 businesses. Large as they each cover a region.


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  #2698307 26-Apr-2021 18:07
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tdgeek:

 

BlinkyBill:

 

Crossed wires. This thread is about the nationalisation of Health and removal of 20 DHB’s, for which $5.5m fees are paid annually to DHB Board members.

 

Auckland Council was some time ago.

 

 

Not crossed, a valid comparison. Is 5.5 million for 20 DHB's excessive? 20 businesses. Large as they each cover a region.

 

 

the typo in your first post responding to this point makes it a wee bit hard to to understand what you are commenting on, but nevertheless we should probably just move on...


 
 
 

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  #2699014 27-Apr-2021 22:30
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Queensland has the same population as New Zealand, how many health boards does it have ??

 

 





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  #2699039 28-Apr-2021 07:29
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Graymond:

 

Queensland has the same population as New Zealand, how many health boards does it have ??

 

 

 

 

I believe they have 16 DHB’s, called HHS’s though.


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  #2699133 28-Apr-2021 10:27
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BlinkyBill:

 

I believe they have 16 DHB’s, called HHS’s though.

 

 

Our Hospital and Health Boards (who oversee each Hospital and Health Service) aren't as autonomous as District Health Boards though. Policy directive still comes out of Brisbane. This induction pack explains their limits and powers.


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  #2699229 28-Apr-2021 13:06
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Kyanar:

 

BlinkyBill:

 

I believe they have 16 DHB’s, called HHS’s though.

 

 

Our Hospital and Health Boards (who oversee each Hospital and Health Service) aren't as autonomous as District Health Boards though. Policy directive still comes out of Brisbane. This induction pack explains their limits and powers.

 

 

Umm, the question was how many, and the answer is 16.

 

I was going to point out that health funding and administration was different between NZ and AU, but the question seemed to be seeking a simple answer.


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