2019 Novel Coronavirus Covid-19 Discussion

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#2509522 22-Jun-2020 10:57

lxsw20:

It isn't particularly nice to see people turning against their own countrymen. If you're an NZ citizen you have a right to come home.

That notion has never been tested in a pandemic with an easily communicable disease and limited quarantine facilities.

We accept the need to close airspace during terror incidents or cancel flights due to weather - maybe we need to be a bit pragmatic about this expectation given the current circumstances.

Having said that we need flights for freight as much as anything else and the more passenger flights we have in and out, the more cargo we can get in and out of the country.

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#2509535 22-Jun-2020 11:06

GV27:

That notion has never been tested in a pandemic with an easily communicable disease and limited quarantine facilities.

We accept the need to close airspace during terror incidents or cancel flights due to weather - maybe we need to be a bit pragmatic about this expectation given the current circumstances.

Having said that we need flights for freight as much as anything else and the more passenger flights we have in and out, the more cargo we can get in and out of the country.

We do not need passenger flights for freight, freight has been running and passenger planes not carrying passengers have been used to help catch up freight. So you can implement your preferred scenario without affecting or needing freight. I believe Kiwi's have a right to be here, fortunately

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#2509550 22-Jun-2020 11:11

GV27:

lxsw20:

It isn't particularly nice to see people turning against their own countrymen. If you're an NZ citizen you have a right to come home.

That notion has never been tested in a pandemic with an easily communicable disease and limited quarantine facilities.

We accept the need to close airspace during terror incidents or cancel flights due to weather - maybe we need to be a bit pragmatic about this expectation given the current circumstances.

Having said that we need flights for freight as much as anything else and the more passenger flights we have in and out, the more cargo we can get in and out of the country.

All the while we have zero tourism in NZ, I think hotel space is probably going to be OK, if not spread out a bit.

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#2509551 22-Jun-2020 11:12

The amount being spent on isolation/quarantine is peanuts in the greater scheme and is cheap insurance when compared to the economic damage of a widespread outbreak.

NZers are entitled to come home. But there will come a time in the not too distant future where they should be told they may have to contribute to their accommodation costs and there is a distinct possibility they will spend the entirety of their two weeks in their hotel room. I believe we should set up an “Intention to return” register where people give a time frame for their return and acknowledge they may be billed for some of the expense, will need to submit to testing and may spend the entire time isolated in their room (and not necessarily in the location of their choice).

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#2509558 22-Jun-2020 11:19

I think that's not a bad idea, and I wouldn't have a problem paying an accomodation cost coming back. You may find some that have done their 2 year OE for example will just not have the money for that on top of current airfare pricing.

The hotels that are currently being used may well have had to lay a bunch of staff off due to no tourism if the govt were not using them. You could look at it that the cost is being offset from people that would otherwise now be seeking other employment.

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#2509607 22-Jun-2020 11:23

gzt: Personally I would not be outraged. Four and a half hours on a bus after a flight maybe? That would not feel good tho.

Give them a choice of staying at (for example) the Ibis near the airport or a bus ride to Rotorua. I know which one I'd choose in a heartbeat. Let's just say, never again.

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#2509611 22-Jun-2020 11:28

freitasm: Media being douche: "Returning travellers are outraged after hopping on a bus they thought was going to Auckland's CBD for managed quarantine - but ended up in Rotorua."

So what?

I think it's probably something like...

Reporter, calling hotel immediately after bus arrives: "Were you outraged when you ended up at Rotorua?"

Internee, after bus arrives, after 12 hour flight: "Yeah, whatever, f*** off."

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#2509615 22-Jun-2020 11:33

kingdragonfly:

Any arriving plane would need to show the video as part of their inflight safety check. Throughout the video warn anyone staying on the plane means they have consented.

Ummm... the alternative to "staying on the plane" after viewing an IN-FLIGHT video is?????

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#2509634 22-Jun-2020 11:54

tdgeek:

GV27:

That notion has never been tested in a pandemic with an easily communicable disease and limited quarantine facilities.

We accept the need to close airspace during terror incidents or cancel flights due to weather - maybe we need to be a bit pragmatic about this expectation given the current circumstances.

Having said that we need flights for freight as much as anything else and the more passenger flights we have in and out, the more cargo we can get in and out of the country.

We do not need passenger flights for freight, freight has been running and passenger planes not carrying passengers have been used to help catch up freight. So you can implement your preferred scenario without affecting or needing freight. I believe Kiwi's have a right to be here, fortunately

It is a qualified right. We have a right, sure.

However, if we are carrying a deadly disease, I see no reason why that right should not be suspended in order to preserve the rights of the majority not to have that disease introduced. Get well wherever you are, THEN exercise your right. Rights have attendant responsibilities.

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#2509643 22-Jun-2020 12:00

So NZ should trust quarantine in other countries that would be completely out of it's control, rather than the current method of quarantine in NZ?

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#2509646 22-Jun-2020 12:06

1pm announcement today - anyone picking an upswing in cases? We should be seeing at least 1.

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#2509648 22-Jun-2020 12:07

Geektastic:

It is a qualified right. We have a right, sure.

However, if we are carrying a deadly disease, I see no reason why that right should not be suspended in order to preserve the rights of the majority not to have that disease introduced. Get well wherever you are, THEN exercise your right. Rights have attendant responsibilities.

So NZ doesn't need border control or quarantine under that scenario? If its such a good idea the rest of the world will do the same....

Each country needs to take ownership, so NZ needs to do the same with its people.

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#2509650 22-Jun-2020 12:10

GV27:

1pm announcement today - anyone picking an upswing in cases? We should be seeing at least 1.

I'd say so, yes. 1 or 2 or 3. I'm feeling we will see hardly any from Australia, they will be from elsewhere via or not Australia. AUS seems very low risk, elsewhere its a lot higher

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#2509658 22-Jun-2020 12:22

Looks like the market for primary produce from countries with uncontrolled covid19 is getting smaller.
https://www.usatoday.com/story/money/food/2020/06/21/tyson-foods-poultry-imports-suspended-china-coronavirus/3233216001/

Could be China sending another political message to USA , but not a good thing to see.
Seems there is value to being covid free or at least tight control, for countries that might be very dependent on primary produce exports.

With developments in Australia the tourism boom from Australia looks further away anyway.

How we could manage to isolate 10K ot 20K overseas students from many countries where covid19 outbreak is stil underway , seems quite impractical.
With no firm plans given , apart from turning whole of Queenstown into an isolation zone, few roads in few roads out.
Locals might have something to say about that.

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#2509669 22-Jun-2020 12:37

lxsw20:

It isn't particularly nice to see people turning against their own countrymen. If you're an NZ citizen you have a right to come home.

I will stay in the UK while I have work over here, but if I lose that due to global recession or whatever. I'll be on the next flight to my homeland. Do you prefer I came back when lockdown started and gone on the dole?

I take your point, but how about we apply the same consideration that you did.

It's benefited you better to be in the UK for now so you're staying there, but if it no longer benefits you you would like to return. You put you first. Fine. But returning doesn't benefit NZ as it puts us at risk of a pandemic, so what's wrong with NZ putting NZ first (like you did). Seems fair to me.

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