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#2524761 17-Jul-2020 13:55

oh dear 428 in Victoria today

dense living seems to be the theme here. recall Singapore.

[Mod edit (MF): added "Victoria" to make it meaningful]

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#2524762 17-Jul-2020 13:55

meanwhile hacking ... https://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/news/article.cfm?c_id=2&objectid=12348725

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#2524768 17-Jul-2020 14:08

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oh dear 428.

dense living seems to be the theme here. recall singapore.

(317 yesterday)

That appears to be a bit of a sore point too. They're withholding cluster and outbreak information. Keeping it under wraps with it hinging around the managed centre

Which is upsetting a few

Meanwhile, a secret report by virus detectives into the source of the Covid-19 outbreak that has forced Melbourne into lockdown is being kept under wraps by the Victorian Government.

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#2524784 17-Jul-2020 14:26

Oblivian:

That appears to be a bit of a sore point too. They're withholding cluster and outbreak information. Keeping it under wraps with it hinging around the managed centre

The SMH published the clusters as so:

160 cases have been linked to Al-Taqwa College (three more than yesterday)
51 cases have been linked to Somerville Retail Services in Tottenham (14 more than yesterday)
38 cases have been linked to Menarock Life Aged Care facility in Essendon (seven more than yesterday)
36 cases have been linked to Estia Health aged care facility in Ardeer (15 more than yesterday)
32 cases have been linked to JBS abattoir in Brooklyn (three more than yesterday)
23 cases have been linked to Glendale Aged Care facility in Werribee (no change since yesterday)
19 cases have been linked to the Northern Hospital (no change since yesterday)

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#2524789 17-Jul-2020 14:36

Oblivian:

Meanwhile, a secret report by virus detectives into the source of the Covid-19 outbreak that has forced Melbourne into lockdown is being kept under wraps by the Victorian Government.

eh? secret report? very juicy. my antenna is tingling ...

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#2524790 17-Jul-2020 14:37

freitasm:

The SMH published the clusters as so:

160 cases have been linked to Al-Taqwa College (three more than yesterday)
51 cases have been linked to Somerville Retail Services in Tottenham (14 more than yesterday)
38 cases have been linked to Menarock Life Aged Care facility in Essendon (seven more than yesterday)
36 cases have been linked to Estia Health aged care facility in Ardeer (15 more than yesterday)
32 cases have been linked to JBS abattoir in Brooklyn (three more than yesterday)
23 cases have been linked to Glendale Aged Care facility in Werribee (no change since yesterday)
19 cases have been linked to the Northern Hospital (no change since yesterday)

seems to fit the pattern around the world

- meat processing plant

- school

- aged care facility

and here I thought it was high density housing

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#2524794 17-Jul-2020 14:40

Batman:

eh? secret report? very juicy. my antenna is tingling ...

I think the juice is more on the RNA pattern and *how* it got out

Bottom of article

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/news/article.cfm?c_id=2&objectid=12348875

Revealed it cannot release new genomic sequencing because of a public inquiry into the bungled hotel quarantine mess.

But the decision has sparked fury in Victoria, because the taxpayer-funded research explaining how the outbreak escaped hotel quarantine and forced its way into multiple public housing blocks in Victoria is critical to understanding why millions of Melburnians are now under lockdown.

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#2524797 17-Jul-2020 14:43

Batman:

freitasm:

The SMH published the clusters as so:

160 cases have been linked to Al-Taqwa College (three more than yesterday)
51 cases have been linked to Somerville Retail Services in Tottenham (14 more than yesterday)
38 cases have been linked to Menarock Life Aged Care facility in Essendon (seven more than yesterday)
36 cases have been linked to Estia Health aged care facility in Ardeer (15 more than yesterday)
32 cases have been linked to JBS abattoir in Brooklyn (three more than yesterday)
23 cases have been linked to Glendale Aged Care facility in Werribee (no change since yesterday)
19 cases have been linked to the Northern Hospital (no change since yesterday)

seems to fit the pattern around the world

- meat processing plant

- school

- aged care facility

and here I thought it was high density housing

Yeah, but when you think about, high density housing doesnt have the families interacting a huge amount, but in these workplaces thats exactly what happoens 8 hours + per day, every day

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#2524798 17-Jul-2020 14:44

Batman:

oh dear 428 in Victoria today

dense living seems to be the theme here. recall Singapore.

[Mod edit (MF): added "Victoria" to make it meaningful]

3 new deaths as well. For many here, the people dying are probably in our parents age group. It is really sad to see, and they are likly going to have quite a lot more people dying in the coming weeks as result. NZ must not be complacent, and I think there needs to be more emphasis on using the tracing app, and perhaps also education about wearing masks, because if we start getting community cases, masks are likely then going to be required. I was discussing the situation in NZ with someone, and they were most concerned around flight attendants who, as there is a lot of trust being put in them to self isolate properly, and people not to visit them. They were wondering what is stopping another bluff wedding cluster occurring, apart from the time of the year, where there aren't too many weddings occurring. .

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#2524799 17-Jul-2020 14:46

tdgeek:

Yeah, but when you think about, high density housing doesnt have the families interacting a huge amount, but in these workplaces thats exactly what happoens 8 hours + per day, every day

Maybe ventilation systems in these apartments could have an effect, as droplets can be suspended in air. We don't know what filtering and air movement systems they use in some apartments

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#2524821 17-Jul-2020 15:58

Oblivian:
+1 again today. Pakistan via Dubai.

With so many via Doha/Syd and Dubai I was under the impression Dubai was taking a hard stance at transiting passengers being tested before flights with the quick test. but may only be Emirates from high risks.

https://www.paddleyourownkanoo.com/2020/07/10/emirates-to-require-passengers-from-high-risk-countries-to-take-covid-19-test-before-travel/

The rule applies to both passengers travelling to UAE, as well as passengers who are simply connecting through Dubai International Airport (DXB) to their final destination.

Think I mentioned somewhere here that Victoria is going to look grim shortly with the symptomatic delays despite the 'lockdown' that really isn't...

428 in past 24hrs

I'm reminded of Trump paying someone to take his university test, and people buying urine for drug tests.

I wouldn't trust most overseas drug tests.

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#2524826 17-Jul-2020 16:03

Batman:
meanwhile hacking ... https://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/news/article.cfm?c_id=2&objectid=12348725

Which begs the question: why is all research not being shared openly?

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#2524851 17-Jul-2020 16:36

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Handle9:

You neglected to post the crux of their argument - that the current tracking, taking and quarantine facilities are inadequate for a COVID world and should be upgraded.

So they want open borders with every traveler having to quarantine? Don't see that working for most tourists.

Do agree need better tracking, and upgraded facilities.

Go and read what they actually wrote. There were two main points. The first was that outbreaks are to some extent inevitable. Systems break down and its impossible to make them foolproof.

The other is that there needs to be preparations for opening up to the world. The New Zealand economy depends on international trade and it isn't feasible to be closed forever. They are also honest enough to say a vaccine may be some years away so there needs to be a clear plan on how to achieve contact with the world that is fit for purpose.

At no point do they say the New Zealand should have open borders.

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#2524852 17-Jul-2020 16:37

kingdragonfly:
Batman:

meanwhile hacking ... https://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/news/article.cfm?c_id=2&objectid=12348725

Which begs the question: why is all research not being shared openly?

Because you don't invest huge sums of money to give the IP away for free.

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#2524854 17-Jul-2020 16:54

From business tycoon and philanthropist Warren Buffet:

“Only when the tide goes out do you discover who’s been swimming naked.”

and

“Be fearful when others are greedy and greedy when others are fearful”

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