2019 Novel Coronavirus Covid-19 Discussion

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#2535806 6-Aug-2020 14:33

msukiwi:

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Panic buying of masks (and more)

sorry but i cant afford to buy masks for my household and i cant see them becoming cheaper and more available and i would think im not alone.

Common sense is not as common as you think.

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#2535808 6-Aug-2020 14:36

I wasn't about to spend $100 on them at this stage so I just bought 5 for $15 instead. That isn't too bad just to have a couple in reserve. They should be cheaper, though.

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#2535810 6-Aug-2020 14:41

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#2535812 6-Aug-2020 14:45

The press release:

The Government has confirmed a community-wide trial of CovidCard technology as it explores options for COVID-19 contact tracing.

“Effective contact tracing is a vital part of the COVID-19 response,” Minister of Health Chris Hipkins said.

“While manual processes remain the critical component for contact tracing, we know digital solutions can help make contact tracing faster and more effective. This is important from a public health perspective and also in supporting our economic and social recovery,” Chris Hipkins said.

“It’s fair to say that no single technology to ‘solve’ contact tracing has been identified anywhere in the world. That’s why we need to explore all available technology options,” says Health Minister Chris Hipkins.

“We are continuing to improve the NZ COVID Tracer app, which includes looking at how technologies like Bluetooth can be utilised to further support contact tracing and have also been investigating the proposed CovidCard.”

Initial assessments by the University of Otago highlighted that the CovidCard could make a real contribution to New Zealand’s contact tracing processes.

“The Government funded a trial run by the University of Otago in conjunction with the Nelson Marlborough DHB during lockdown. The trial found the CovidCard works under controlled conditions, so we believe there is merit in exploring it further,” Government Digital Services Minister Kris Faafoi said.

“After consultation with community leaders and iwi, we have selected the Rotorua region for a further trial involving around 250-300 people.

“This research will allow us to understand how the cards would work in a real-world scenario, whether they are compatible with our contact tracing systems, and whether the public would accept and use the cards if they were rolled out,” Kris Faafoi said.

Any decision on whether to deploy the CovidCard will be made later this year. At this stage it is not anticipated that the CovidCard would be mandatory.

“Key considerations will include whether the CovidCard meets high security and privacy standards and can be used by a wide range of New Zealanders.

“We’ll also be testing whether it effectively contributes to contact tracing and New Zealand’s efforts to eliminate COVID-19,” Minister Hipkins said

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#2535813 6-Aug-2020 14:47

vexxxboy:

msukiwi:

I vote for:

Panic buying of masks (and more)

sorry but i cant afford to buy masks for my household and i cant see them becoming cheaper and more available and i would think im not alone.

These aren't bad, and will do :)

https://www.mitre10.co.nz/shop/workpro-disposable-face-masks-high-filtration-50-pack/p/362930

$30 for 50 masks

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#2535817 6-Aug-2020 14:54

These aren't bad, and will do :)

https://www.mitre10.co.nz/shop/workpro-disposable-face-masks-high-filtration-50-pack/p/362930

$30 for 50 masks

Clint

i mean masks that will protect you from the virus, the kn95 masks. If i have to wear a mask i want one that will stop me catching the virus

Common sense is not as common as you think.

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#2535818 6-Aug-2020 14:55

The thing to remember with masks is that if they become mandatory and everybody is wearing a mask the need for N95 or equivalent is low. You could in fact use a bandanna or similar to have the effect of stopping droplets from becoming airborne. Now say CT was rife (like the US) and many people refuse to wear masks (like the US), then yes the higher level would be advantageous

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#2535826 6-Aug-2020 15:03

itxtme:

The thing to remember with masks is that if they become mandatory and everybody is wearing a mask the need for N95 or equivalent is low. You could in fact use a bandanna or similar to have the effect of stopping droplets from becoming airborne. Now say CT was rife (like the US) and many people refuse to wear masks (like the US), then yes the higher level would be advantageous

i dont hold out much hope we dont turn into the US, i dont see how we will be different to every other country that make masks compulsory

Common sense is not as common as you think.

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#2535830 6-Aug-2020 15:08

New Zealand isn't the US. That's why all the rich Americans want to come here.

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#2535852 6-Aug-2020 15:50

@vexxxboy:

i mean masks that will protect you from the virus, the kn95 masks. If i have to wear a mask i want one that will stop me catching the virus

Read my two articles:

CORONAVIRUS NASOPHARYNGEAL SWAB TESTING 27-Mar-2020 00:41

THE USE OF MASK and GLOVES 3-Apr-2020 16:59

A mask alone will not prevent you from catching the virus ❗️

Masks basically protect other people from you and if you have to do that then stay indoors❗️

Whilst the difficult we can do immediately, the impossible takes a bit longer. However, miracles you will have to wait for.

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#2535854 6-Aug-2020 15:51

vexxxboy:

i mean masks that will protect you from the virus, the kn95 masks. If i have to wear a mask i want one that will stop me catching the virus

A lot of people don't trust the Chinese KN95 standard.

P2 is the NZ/ Aus standard & N95 is the north american standard.

That said, widespread mask wearing is more about protecting other from you if you are unknowingly infected.

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#2535855 6-Aug-2020 16:01

Explaining further to what I said above which is a repeat from earlier post I made on the 1st March #2429583:

This face mask thing is a bit of a furphy.

Most non-medical persons are:

1 - buying the incorrect mask type and size. It should be Type N95 or P2 or P3 or better and be adult or child size - one size does not fit all
2 - not fitting any mask properly to begin with - there must be no leaks in or out
3 - not washing hands prior to fitting
4 - tying their masks on incorrectly - tie bottom ties first, then top ties last and do the reverse when removing mask
5 - not washing hands after removal and sensible disposal of mask
6 - fiddling/touching the mask once fitted correctly - keep your hands away from your entire face

Any other type of mask or any mask not fitted correctly will not protect you from the COVID-19 virus as they are not designed to keep out viral partials. They may however have a psychological effect. But even if you are wearing a correctly fitted and approved type you are not fully protected because the virus loves wet/moist areas. Your eyes are moist and are a portal for the virus.

What masks, any mask or handkerchief or sleeve, do do however, and this is why surgeons wear them, is to stop your own baddies (pathogens) from infecting others.

The biggest thing you can do to stop becoming infected or infecting others:

1 - WASH YOUR HANDS FREQUENTLY or use hand steriliser gel and yes do use those disinfectant wipes at the supermarket trolley area.
2 - Cover your mouth when you cough and sneeze.
3 - Stay away from gatherings if it is not necessary for you to be there. It does not take the whole family to go grocery shopping.
4 - WASH YOUR HANDS FREQUENTLY

Whilst the difficult we can do immediately, the impossible takes a bit longer. However, miracles you will have to wait for.

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#2535861 6-Aug-2020 16:11

Regarding the above, the above applies if you want to require to protect yourself.

There aren't enough P2 / N95 masks around for everybody to do this.

Any recommendation of widespread face covering use will be more about preventing droplet spread from the wearer. This is a much easier task, and dosn't require a high grade mask (cotton masks & improvised face coverings are fine).

Should note that even the staff at covid-19 testing facilities seem to be only using basic surgical masks.

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#2535880 6-Aug-2020 16:22

Rikkitic:

New Zealand isn't the US. That's why all the rich Americans want to come here.

I believe that the *really* rich Americans are just fine with living in the US, because it's a great place to enjoy their wealth and to increase it. NZ is attractive as a quaint holiday place, free of disease and masks and lockdowns, but they wouldn't want to pay our taxes or be limited in their money-making ventures by pesky corporate or environmental controls. All of that is [gasp] socialism.

The ordinary rich and middle class Americans want to move up the scale, so don't want to come here, despite the chances of moving up over there are actually quite slim for the ethically encumbered.

It's only the pinkos and tree-huggers and underachievers that want to come here. [/tongue-in-cheek]

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#2535881 6-Aug-2020 16:22

vexxxboy:

itxtme:

The thing to remember with masks is that if they become mandatory and everybody is wearing a mask the need for N95 or equivalent is low. You could in fact use a bandanna or similar to have the effect of stopping droplets from becoming airborne. Now say CT was rife (like the US) and many people refuse to wear masks (like the US), then yes the higher level would be advantageous

i dont hold out much hope we dont turn into the US, i dont see how we will be different to every other country that make masks compulsory

One of the arguments the DG made for them not requiring masks during the first outbreak in NZ, was that NZers didn't know how to wear them safely, and NZers weren't used to wearing masks. So someone could touch a Covid infected surface such as a door handle, and then adjust their 'mask', transferring the virus from their hand to the potentially damp mask, and then could be infected. So the mask (or bandana) could potentially make someone some prone to getting infected. They also could give people a false sense of security. Although back then, my argument was that masking should still prevent people who have the virus, being able to spread the virus as easily, such as if they cough in a public area. But I think the decision back then had a lot to do with a lack of supply over N95 ones.

My issue is that we have now had months to educate how to safely wear a mask since the WHO recommended their use, but there has been no education. Only in the last week or two have they started to again roll out the Covid TV ads.

Masks however ar not a magic fix, and as I previously posted, I know someone in the US (young) who got a bad case of the virus despite wearing a mask, and only going out a few times.

I also would have thought it was wise to now be wearing masks on public transport, because when we have community cases start occurring, then there will be a time delay in that first infection occurring in the community, and then someone being detected with the virus. Dr Baker has been recommending their usage on public transport for months.

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