2019 Novel Coronavirus Covid-19 Discussion

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#2540587 13-Aug-2020 22:36

dejadeadnz:

Online shops and click and collect allowed or not at level 3?

According to the graphics in this article, retail shops can only sell via online orders. Yet this is completely contradicted by the official covid19 website. See here. This is pretty useless "journalism".

It appears there has been some mitigation to stop a total financial collapse? (and leave bottle stores open :D )

I imagine online-orders would cover collect as a means at checkout. And just an oops to miss wording out specifically. But you would soon discover it given coffee and restaurants are listed as collect OK

They're punching out what it has on https://www.business.govt.nz/covid-19/operating-at-alert-levels/#e-22810

Covid: businesses can trade without physical contact with customers, for example through phone or online orders, delivery, pick-up and drive-through.

Business:

Only supermarkets, dairies, petrol stations, pharmacies or permitted health services, or licensing trusts may allow customers onto their premises.

For all other businesses customers must not enter your premises. Interactions must be contactless, including for payment, pick-up or delivery.

Where 3 was just 4 with takeaways, it seems it is a bit more this time too? or was it changed toward the end after the warehouse debacle.. So long ago to recall.

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#2540590 13-Aug-2020 23:00

antonknee:

I feel that's splitting hairs, but my apologies nonetheless - the statement there is no obvious link by definition implies there could still be a link (just one that isn't obvious).

I would say this means none of the family work at the border/MIQ or have close contact with someone the border/MIQ, which would be an obvious link. Could be a friend of a friend, or a shared Uber driver, or something like that (ie a not obvious link).

I'm sorry for biting, but no - it's not splitting hairs as saying that the authorities are claiming that there is no link to a leak from quarantine is simply not correct. It's the most likely source.

Yes - could be a friend of a friend of a friend of an acquaintance. The longer it takes to trace - then the worse it may be, as if it was a simple easily traced couple of hops to the real index case that resulted in CT, then the easier it should be to contain. For all we know right now, this might have happened a month ago, and there might be many hundreds of cases. The only reason to hope that isn't the case is that if the outbreak was that advanced, then extremely sick people would have been fronting up needing hospital level care.

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#2540591 13-Aug-2020 23:33

Oblivian:
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For all other businesses customers must not enter your premises. Interactions must be contactless, including for payment, pick-up or delivery.

Where 3 was just 4 with takeaways, it seems it is a bit more this time too? or was it changed toward the end after the warehouse debacle.. So long ago to recall.

Perhaps my memory is faulty but I thought the top paragraph applied previously in L3, not just takeaways. Recall picking up an online order from NL. Fairly certain that was in L3.

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#2540593 13-Aug-2020 23:55

DS248:
Oblivian:
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For all other businesses customers must not enter your premises. Interactions must be contactless, including for payment, pick-up or delivery.

Where 3 was just 4 with takeaways, it seems it is a bit more this time too? or was it changed toward the end after the warehouse debacle.. So long ago to recall.

Perhaps my memory is faulty but I thought the top paragraph applied previously in L3, not just takeaways. Recall picking up an online order from NL. Fairly certain that was in L3.

Would appear so. By takeaways, I meant not just food btw, But the shopping experience in general. I just had imagined it was only select retail.

Digging out old stuff it seems what I was thinking of was the ones grabbing at being 'essential' during 4. And 3 was wide open, as long as you didn't have people instore

https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/121250099/coronavirus-retailers-get-ready-for-shift-to-covid19-alert-level-3

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#2540594 14-Aug-2020 00:04

Hibino:

In today China's news (https://finance.sina.com.cn/stock/zqgd/2020-08-13/doc-iivhvpwy0739193.shtml), says test positive on surface of imported frozen chicken wings from Brazil(Reg No#SIF601, Batch#7720051522).

If this is true, I guess it will take half year for politicians/media to admit it since I still remember half year ago politicians/media saying wear mask does not help and will even make things worse because wear it wrong/touching face etc blah blah. But look now, it is suggested to wear a mask even level 2, what a joke.

That was the MOH. But it has been proven that masks help, just look at Asian countries who have been wearing them for years during cold and flu season, and also during the pandemic early on. Also they are working in Australia. But many still don't appear to know how to wear them safely, and no NZ education campaign yet that I have seen. Also an mask expert had said that the vented type can expel the virus through the vent, but have seen people , including a reporter wearing one on the news. Yesterday one of the news reporters only had it covering their mouth and their nose was exposed. It may have slipped, but that suggests that it wasn't put on properly or securely, or not the right size for them

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#2540638 14-Aug-2020 07:40

MoH say more cases will be announced today but no reaosn yet to move to level 4. I take that as all these today cases are hangers on from existing ones and not any unrelated to the workers and their families

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#2540648 14-Aug-2020 08:12

tdgeek:

MoH say more cases will be announced today but no reaosn yet to move to level 4. I take that as all these today cases are hangers on from existing ones and not any unrelated to the workers and their families

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/health/coronavirus/300080899/live-health-minister-chris-hipkins-confirms-new-covid19-cases-as-lockdown-decision-looms

Health Minister Chris Hipkins talking to The AM Show says there are some more cases but "not a heap" more. "What we are finding now is the new cases we are getting are people already contact traced because of contact with previous cases and had already been in self isolation."

Trouble with that is that the ones who have been contact traced are tested, that's fine. What about those who were in contact but not flagged to MoH and thus possibly not tested.

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#2540652 14-Aug-2020 08:26

What about those who were in contact but not flagged to MoH and thus possibly not tested.

basics come into play again now. Don't go to work, don't breathe on people, stay-at-home, kill potential transfer from those who currently has it undetected.

Done.

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#2540656 14-Aug-2020 08:34

And some covidiots plan on running "march" and "protests" against lockdown measures and masks.

There's free speech and then there's shouting "fire" on a full theatre. The covidiots should be fined.

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#2540677 14-Aug-2020 08:49

So, where did this latest cluster originate? Time to place your bets. Mine is on number 1 closely followed by number 5.

1- returnee that has been infected late in quarantine and hence negative at day 12

2- an known infected returnee being released before they have fully recovered.

3- escapee

4- infected returnee being released before they were all being tested at day 12

5- staff at a quarantine facility or otherwise associated with quarantining returnees

6- staff at other places at the boarder such as pilots, baggage handlers, customs, ports

7- infected surface of frozen products

8- lingering transmission from the original wave

9- deliberate release to help with the election

10- there is no case zero because the virus is all made up anyway

Have I missed anything?

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#2540688 14-Aug-2020 09:01

Yep, the compassionate (and not so controlled) release of people to funerals etc on a trust/mitigation promise.

Ones who break IN to facilities (or goto the uncovered area of fencing like here in CHC and see their pals)

There's no clarity if the people coming in on different dates are allowed to mingle. Or have timed release or breaks etc. Without knowing that factor staggered infection at a facility and subsequent missed positive is the most logical to me.

But we shouldn't really poke the dog at this stage while it's still sleeping and being snuck up on...

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#2540692 14-Aug-2020 09:05

debo:

Have I missed anything?

The correct spelling of border maybe?

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#2540698 14-Aug-2020 09:09

National's Shane Reti on TV1 Breakfast show this morning:

He's reasonable, rational, doesn't buy in to any of the wild conspiracy theory stuff. He's supportive of the MOH and AB, the government's response, and calling for cooperation - "we need to work together on this".

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#2540702 14-Aug-2020 09:13

Geektastic: Requiring people in jobs facing higher risk of Covid infection to be tested seems perfectly reasonable to me.

Easy for you to say when nobody is going to stick a knitting needle up your nose and into your brain every week.
OK, there's a certain degree of exaggeration there, but lots of people will be worried that it would be a bit (or a lot) like that.

And, as an example, when someone was happy to get a job as, say, a porter at the Swanky Tourist Hotel, the employment agreement they signed didn't say anything about a higher risk of any kind of infection or having a requirement for invasive medical tests every week. And sure, they're officially working on a 'volunteers please' basis at the moment, but the 30 hours a week they're getting is what triggers Working For Families tax support for their family. If they didn't do to work and had to go on the dole, they and their partner could barely feed their two pre-school kids, after they paid the rent.

This ain't easy

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#2540704 14-Aug-2020 09:16

PolicyGuy:

Easy for you to say when nobody is going to stick a knitting needle up your nose and into your brain every week.

OK, there's a certain degree of exaggeration there, but lots of people will be worried that it would be a bit (or a lot) like that.

I wish people would stop with this "degree of exaggeration". It's almost like a conspiracy theory. It's not like that.

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