Confirmed cases in Tokoroa, L4 is surely on the table for tonights 5.30pm announcement now.

Suppose part of my metaphorical speechlessness, is I can't see 2/3 of people being total refuseniks.
Especially when its pointed out that its to protect their families as well.
If not from direct crew/passenger/isolated contact, from indirect contact and contact with workmates who do.

I suppose my natural course is to follow the money.

It costs money to get mobile testers in so people can be tested on site plus cost of coverage when you take people out of their shift.
Rather..
Make people hunt across town in their own time on their own dime, or come in when its not their shift on their own time.
Mention testing quickly in passing, cough cough, but don't make a big deal of it.
Remind managers of their productivity bonuses, and suddenly you have testing not potentially impacting your bottom line.

Point out inherent dangers and people might want more money for doing the same job as others with no danger.
Should workers be paid more 'danger money' for a position that requires testing , why the hell not  , and compliance goes up further.

I could see without absolute compulsion you still have plenty of levers to get high compliance whereby you can shuffle genuine refuseniks into other positions for sake of everyone's safety. 

So now we get compulsion where it may not have been needed, as other measures not used months ago.

Pity we have not been training the dogs to be covid dogs , no you don't use the virus just a swab of a known cases sweat, dogs nose a miracle of nature.

JPNZ:

 

Confirmed cases in Tokoroa, L4 is surely on the table for tonights 5.30pm announcement now.

 

Yep. Seems like this outbreak has spread well beyond the original source of the outbreak in south auckland. 

Zepanda66:

 

JPNZ:

 

Confirmed cases in Tokoroa, L4 is surely on the table for tonights 5.30pm announcement now.

 

 

Yep. Seems like this outbreak has spread well beyond the original source of the outbreak in south auckland. 

 

But the case is linked to the South Auckland cluster.  We'll see.  My guess is they'll keep things as is (L2 & 3 for Auckland) and make a decision in a few days.
(If I ruled the world, I'd lock the entire country down to L4 for a week, and test like crazy).

Zepanda66:

 

JPNZ:

 

Confirmed cases in Tokoroa, L4 is surely on the table for tonights 5.30pm announcement now.

 

 

 

 

Yep. Seems like this outbreak has spread well beyond the original source of the outbreak in south auckland. 

 

So that’s the same Tokoroa that’s on the road from Auckland to Rotorua?

Zepanda66:

 

JPNZ:

 

Confirmed cases in Tokoroa, L4 is surely on the table for tonights 5.30pm announcement now.

 

 

 

 

Yep. Seems like this outbreak has spread well beyond the original source of the outbreak in south auckland. 

 

Yes, but at least they are all linked. MoH needs to find out where they stopped, test people and surfaces there, between AKL, Hamilton and Tokoroa

JPNZ:

 

Confirmed cases in Tokoroa, L4 is surely on the table for tonights 5.30pm announcement now.

 

More likely level 3 for north island with suspended flights/people traffic to south neighbours 

Its easy to spread amongst close contacts, for obvious reasons, but a lot harder to spread to non close contacts, especially outdoors

tdgeek:

 

Yes, but at least they are all linked. MoH needs to find out where they stopped, test people and surfaces there, between AKL, Hamilton and Tokoroa

 

+ Taupo

Yes they are linked, but as you have more and more cases (cue the 1pm announcement today) you get more and more growth. My bet would be on now L3 in the North Island and L2 status quo in the south.

Without wishing to scapegoat the family, I have to ask how one group of people can spread so much disease so efficiently so far in such a short time.

Think we all need to sit on our hands for a while and let this thing unfold. As it is no doubt going to unravel rapidly looking at the updates by the hour.

If we want to find a reason, rhyme or blame point. It's ourselves / humanity.

Comes back to simplicity, we shouldn't be finding someone at the top/in charge to blame. They can only go so far as to advise governing rules, or advise best practice. It's up to an individual to make the best effort to follow them if anything is to be effective.

It's the same as H&S. Seen all those businesses with stickers on the mirror - 'you are looking at the person responsible for your safety'

The wash hands and take precautions message never went away. But people stopped it working.

So Jacinda Ardern said we had plenty of face masks, yeah right. I am down to 5 left. My Chemist has my supply on back order and I cant locate any online or in bricks and mortar stores. I guess scumbags are stock piling like they did with toilet paper, masks and sanitiser last time. Like last time some purchased thousands of sanitiser to make a profit. I don't want 

masks to make a profit I need them to survive. 

Rikkitic:

 

Without wishing to scapegoat the family, I have to ask how one group of people can spread so much disease so efficiently so far in such a short time.

 

 

 

A lot of close contact. Hugs, kisses, shake hands, close proximity indoors so the exhaled virus is giving plenty of exposure to the others. They used to say 1 metre for 20 seconds  2 metres for 30 seconds or something like that, which is rare for even supermarkets. Being in a kitchen, living room for an hour or literally hours is a lot of exposure. Two randomns walking past each other outside 2 metres apart is rally low risk