2019 Novel Coronavirus Covid-19 Discussion

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#2554297 31-Aug-2020 17:32

Some good news: possible jail-time for social media influencers.

The Vulture: TikTokers Bryce Hall and Blake Gray Hit With Misdemeanor for “Super-Spreader” Parties

Each TikToker faces up to $2,000 in fines and up to one year in jail

Los Angeles city attorney Mark Feuer is cracking down on pandemic parties in the Hollywood Hills, starting with TikTok stars Bryce Hall and Blake Gray.

“We allege these hosts have been incredibly irresponsible with a highly infectious disease spreading and parties banned because of it, and we allege they violated the law,” Feuer said in a press conference.

Each TikToker has been charged with violating the local emergency order and a citation for a noise ordinance. They face up to a year in jail and up to a $2,000 fine.

“If you have a combined 19 million followers on TikTok in the middle of a public-health crisis, you should be modeling great behavior best practices for all of us, rather than brazenly violating the law and then posting videos about it, as we allege happened here,” Feuer went in.

On August 19, the city shut off the power at Hall and Gray’s Hollywood Hills rental with fellow TikToker Noah Beck, after “several” warnings, citations, and LAPD visits...

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#2554320 31-Aug-2020 18:14

Interesting that in Australia they are heavily restricting Aussies overseas being allowed to return to the country at any one time. Apparently only 4000 a week! Also only 30 people per flight allowed !. Why aren't we doing that here?

https://www.theaustralian.com.au/world/stranded-aussies-ordered-to-pay-10000-to-return/news-story/e9afdaca63d9a5bbe44f234d42235f2f

As a result, flights are restricted and seats on some planes are up to 10k a seat. This is on top of them having to pay for their MIQ. I guess the logic is that it means that they can be managed in isolation at a far higher level and in appropriate facilities, to make sure it is all watertight this time.
Maybe NZ should be doing this too? The cost of a lockdown each time a case leaks though is far too high. 1 billion cost for this last lockdown apparently. I don't think Australia have had any cases leak though their MIQ since the outbreak occurred in Victoria, so NZ too shouldn't have cases leaking through.

IMO we should be working hard to actually eliminate the virus again, rather than risk going back up to level 3 or 4 again and then make the border water tight, and keep the testing way up at 10k a day, which means everyone with cold and Flu symptoms, not just those who maybe connected to overseas travel, because that failed this last time, as the first person had no connection to overseas travel, so amazed they ended up being tested for it.

Also make sure everyone is tested before boarding the flight to NZ, which seems standard in other countries. Seems most cases recently coming in are coming from hotspots like India, where it seems totally out of control. It has been shown that things such as testing around the border haven't been good enough, and if quarantine is done properly, diseases shouldn't get through, as any leak should be able to be traced back and someone accountable for the leak, which is what happened in Oz. The problem is we don't know who patient number zero is, but it could have been someone who didn't need to be, or wasn't tested around the border.

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#2554338 31-Aug-2020 18:22

if they wanted to eliminate they wouldn't have let the AKLers loose and fly all over.

either

1. they have no idea of the implications of what they're doing

2. they have given up on elimination

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#2554342 31-Aug-2020 18:25

Batman:

if they wanted to eliminate they wouldn't have let the AKLers loose and fly all over.

either

1. they have no idea of the implications of what they're doing

2. they have given up on elimination

I hope not. But it seems to be unproven that we can eliminate it in level 2, when gatherings can still occur of up to 10 people within Auckland, and more if they do it out of Auckland. Also if mass masking is not required, when it has been proven that masks reduce the infection rate. Maybe they can eliminate it in Taiwan in level 2, but they have a far different culture.

We should know within 14 days as to how it is tracking, as long as testing remains very high, and it will need to also increase significantly throughout the country, otherwise we could risk another outbreak getting away on us again. As the days go on, I will get more an more cautious visiting shops etc, but haven't seen anyone wearing masks today in my town today. Also I noticed that some stores in Auckland have decided not to open in level 2, to protect their staffs well-being. Interesting, considering the government is calling all children to return to school.

Already heard of a gathering under 50 people (singing group) cancelled in the Wellington region since today, due to people now not feeling safe. Seeing everyone wearing masks on the Wellington trains really brought it home that things have changed.

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#2554360 31-Aug-2020 18:57

The border is not getting any easier to manage.

Thank you Australia.
https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/122620029/charter-flight-to-nz-for-30-kiwi-criminals-including-a-paedophile-kicked-out-of-australia

But wait there's more.

Aussie idea of an allocation reserved for essential workers is not a bad one, to ensure balance,.

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#2554371 31-Aug-2020 19:18

Batman:

if they wanted to eliminate they wouldn't have let the AKLers loose and fly all over.

either

1. they have no idea of the implications of what they're doing

2. they have given up on elimination

Agreed, they have just inflicted Auckland restrictions on rest of country. Not impressed.

Will know within two weeks if spreading, face masks are not a silver bullet either, just lower risk.

Looks like to me they have given up elimination.

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#2554377 31-Aug-2020 19:26

not sure if someone's posted but cruise ship's back https://edition.cnn.com/travel/article/future-of-cruising-coronavirus/index.html

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#2554378 31-Aug-2020 19:26

New York Times: U.S. says testing not needed for some exposed to COVID-19, sparking outcry

The U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) said this week that people exposed to COVID-19 but not symptomatic may not need to be tested, shocking doctors and politicians and prompting accusations the guidance was politically motivated.

The advice marks a reversal of the agency's previous position recommending testing for all close contacts of people diagnosed with COVID-19.

...U.S. public health officials were ordered by high-level members of the Trump administration to push forward with the changes.

...The president of the American Medical Association ... said the advice could accelerate the spread of the virus.

"Suggesting that people without symptoms, who have known exposure to COVID-positive individuals, do not need testing is a recipe for community spread and more spikes in coronavirus," AMA President Susan Bailey said in a statement.

Anthony Fauci, the top U.S. government infectious disease expert, told CNN he was having surgery during discussion of the change.

...The United States has had more than 5 million diagnosed cases of COVID-19 and nearly 180,000 people have died...

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#2554382 31-Aug-2020 19:32

Batman:

not sure if someone's posted but cruise ship's back https://edition.cnn.com/travel/article/future-of-cruising-coronavirus/index.html

We're serviced by Carnival's offshoot P&O, Princess. They were put off returning until Oct

Then this come out the other day

In response to the continuing impact of the global pandemic on the way we travel and holiday, P&O Cruises has extended a pause in operations across Australia and New Zealand to 2 December 2020

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#2554402 31-Aug-2020 20:21

Not sure of the utility of this after so long, nothing to have a code Brown over, as it were.

A Countdown on Auckland's North Shore has been closed and will undergo and immediate deep-clean, after two positive Covid-19 case visits.
https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/300096199/coronavirus-browns-bay-countdown-shut-after-two-positive-covid19-case-visits

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A report from Newshub said the visits to Countdown Browns Bay were on August 18 between 10:15am and 11am and August 26 between 11am and 11:30 am.
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Though if everyone is sensible with their behavior and distancing, when in doubt about a snuffle, get tested.
Its possible we will be fine, just more on personal and group responsibility.
Be careful out there.

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#2554404 31-Aug-2020 20:27

mattwnz:

Interesting that in Australia they are heavily restricting Aussies overseas being allowed to return to the country at any one time. Apparently only 4000 a week! Also only 30 people per flight allowed !. Why aren't we doing that here?

https://www.theaustralian.com.au/world/stranded-aussies-ordered-to-pay-10000-to-return/news-story/e9afdaca63d9a5bbe44f234d42235f2f

As a result, flights are restricted and seats on some planes are up to 10k a seat. This is on top of them having to pay for their MIQ. I guess the logic is that it means that they can be managed in isolation at a far higher level and in appropriate facilities, to make sure it is all watertight this time.
Maybe NZ should be doing this too? The cost of a lockdown each time a case leaks though is far too high. 1 billion cost for this last lockdown apparently. I don't think Australia have had any cases leak though their MIQ since the outbreak occurred in Victoria, so NZ too shouldn't have cases leaking through.

IMO we should be working hard to actually eliminate the virus again, rather than risk going back up to level 3 or 4 again and then make the border water tight, and keep the testing way up at 10k a day, which means everyone with cold and Flu symptoms, not just those who maybe connected to overseas travel, because that failed this last time, as the first person had no connection to overseas travel, so amazed they ended up being tested for it.

Also make sure everyone is tested before boarding the flight to NZ, which seems standard in other countries. Seems most cases recently coming in are coming from hotspots like India, where it seems totally out of control. It has been shown that things such as testing around the border haven't been good enough, and if quarantine is done properly, diseases shouldn't get through, as any leak should be able to be traced back and someone accountable for the leak, which is what happened in Oz. The problem is we don't know who patient number zero is, but it could have been someone who didn't need to be, or wasn't tested around the border.

NZ also has a arrival quota. Much easier to get a flight from NZ to say Europe than the other way around.

The number hasn't been published publicly to my knowledge, but it is pritty easy to make a guess.

It has been published that managed isolation / quarantine facilities can handle 7000 people, and the aim is max 90% occupancy.

https://www.interest.co.nz/news/106184/number-returning-kiwis-who-can-stay-managed-isolation-once-limited-less-7000-no-new

Assuming a two week stay, that would be 3150 people a weak.

Actual number is likely to be a bit less. For example some Capacity is used up by people who stay longer than the 14 days. For example those still symptomatic when the 14 days is up, those who breach their isolation and need to wait for the party they breached it with to return a test result before release, and those who refuse the day 12 test, and are hence required to stay for the full 28 days. Also the people from the NZ community that have been moved into Jetpark.

NZ airlines have been given 2 week rolling quota's. Personally I think it would be better to have some kind of waitlist, lottary or needs basis criteria to assign the spots to travelers than it is to assign the slots to airlines. As it stands the airlines are able to charge very high fairs essentially in return for the spot in isolation they have been allocated. Critical worker entry should be done by a tender or auction system, perhaps starting with a floor at $100k.

[edit] - number quoted is "people" not "rooms" - I don't know how many rooms 9000 people is.

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#2554408 31-Aug-2020 20:35

Scott3:

[edit] - number quoted is "people" not "rooms" - I don't know how many rooms 9000 people is.

I think I heard Megan Woods say they worked on an average of 1.4 ppl per room, so 9K people is ~6400 rooms...

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#2554409 31-Aug-2020 20:40

infections in pacific islands https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/aug/30/we-are-in-dire-straits-pacific-stands-on-covid-brink-amid-surging-infections

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#2554410 31-Aug-2020 20:45

The data has moved to mbie from a nice pdf on covid. But the exacts are there for all.

https://www.mbie.govt.nz/business-and-employment/economic-development/covid-19-data-resources/managed-isolation-and-quarantine-data/

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#2554429 31-Aug-2020 21:47

mattwnz: We potentially have a similar problem in NZ with overstayers in Auckland, and I saw some being interviewed the other night, and looked like they were possibly living in a garage. They use traditional remedies when they get sick, rather than seek medical treatment. Many will be too scared to seek treatment, as the fear the ramifications.

It's no good. Imo immigration NZ should announce they are suspending all enforcement until the crisis is over or two years or something like that and find some way of getting medical services to these people or otherwise ensuring they have access.

Herald article on the same topic as your post: https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12358079

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