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#2557078 4-Sep-2020 15:26

GV27:

Are you talking about 'isolating' or 'in isolation'?

Pretty much every case has been within those identified contacts who have been contacted and are self-isolating.

I meant:

A) Oops I have had involvement maybe with that cluster Ill self isolate now. Gets tested soemtime, gets a positve, but has been largely out of circulation and has played the game of not spreaidng it

B) Oops I have had involvement maybe with that cluster (or didnt realise) but she'll be right, Ill go shopping and the beach, then gets tested positive

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#2557080 4-Sep-2020 15:31

Reanalyse:

If I remember correctly a comment from yesterdays briefing there were no cases found in the "walk/drive in testing", all were already identified and isolating when tested. I think this was the case for the last 5 days. I wish some of the reporters would ask such questions that the usual "who is to blame for.............."

Thanks thats exactly what I meant. There is a HUGE difference between both types

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#2557151 4-Sep-2020 16:32

Anyone else get the feeling 'genomically linked' may just be a nice way of saying - we really have 6 or so clusters, across Auckland as a result of a small group get together in 1 place spreading out, But well call it that to look/sound better since they're all from the same rna source

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#2557155 4-Sep-2020 16:44

Oblivian: Anyone else get the feeling 'genomically linked' may just be a nice way of saying - we really have 6 or so clusters, across Auckland as a result of a small group get together in 1 place spreading out, But well call it that to look/sound better since they're all from the same rna source

I made this point previously, but I suspect if we didn't have genome testing, like we didn't during the first outbreak, then some of these may have been considered independent clusters. Especially where they haven't been able to link the clusters epidemiologically. I understand there is still one case of concern that they still can't link epidemiologically, only via genome, which indicates that at least one person has it which they haven't found, which is apparently one reason they aren't considering moving down levels. There was also a case around Hobbiton, which they aren't 100% sure about, as it apparently isn't linked to the other cases, but it maybe a historical infection.

I also heard the PM say that conferences are a concern, because of the 'social events' that occur with conferences. In the first outbreak, I understand there was a big cluster involving a conference. So I do wonder if it is even wise allowing conferences, and whether they should remove those from the list in level 2. But is is still way too early to tell what effect level 2 is going to have on the spread, to even entertain the idea of Auckland moving down a level, and due to the border being open, NZ is all stuck at a similar level. It may have been wise for NZ to do things more similar to Australia, and keep state borders closed for no essential travel.

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#2557159 4-Sep-2020 16:56

there's a banner saying "MOH announces covid related death in AKL" but clicking on it gives no info. it says "more on that soon"

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#2557162 4-Sep-2020 16:57

One just died.

Plesse igmore amd axxept applogies in adbance fir anu typos

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#2557163 4-Sep-2020 16:58

Batman:

there's a banner saying "MOH announces covid related death in AKL" but clicking on it gives no info. it says "more on that soon"

Only in his 50's too. This virus doesn't just kill or potentially permanently affect the health of older people. Sooner later someone was going to die based on the stats, and the death rate of this virus. Unfortunately about 30-40% of people who go into ICU don't survive

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#2557164 4-Sep-2020 16:59

Newshub says man in 50s at Middlemore.

Plesse igmore amd axxept applogies in adbance fir anu typos

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#2557168 4-Sep-2020 17:05

Why don't they tell us whether the man who just passed away had any underlying conditions. It is important for us to know the risk factors.

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#2557171 4-Sep-2020 17:11

surfisup1000:

Why don't they tell us whether the man who just passed away had any underlying conditions. It is important for us to know the risk factors.

you'd think a reporter could ask that sort of question at the next press conference ... but would they ...

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#2557174 4-Sep-2020 17:14

surfisup1000:

Why don't they tell us whether the man who just passed away had any underlying conditions. It is important for us to know the risk factors.

Many people have some form of underlying condition. eg Someone may just be overweight, which can apparently be a factor in this. But the fact is that Covid has cost them potentially years off their life, so that is how they died.

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#2557180 4-Sep-2020 17:27

Rikkitic:

One just died.

expected if you go on what the % says around the world , if you have a 100 or so cases then you expect 1-2 deaths.

Common sense is not as common as you think.

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#2557183 4-Sep-2020 17:43

vexxxboy:

Rikkitic:

One just died.

expected if you go on what the % says around the world , if you have a 100 or so cases then you expect 1-2 deaths.

We are also still relatively early on into the cycle, as a lot of people haven't yet recovered, so some may worsen and need treatment, which is what occurred with the English PM. Also as no cases seem to be in rest homes, it is likely the people that are mainly infected this time are averaging a younger age than with the first outbreak which got into resthomes, where it appears most deaths then occurred.

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#2557215 4-Sep-2020 19:00

mattwnz:

I made this point previously, but I suspect if we didn't have genome testing, like we didn't during the first outbreak, then some of these may have been considered independent clusters. Especially where they haven't been able to link the clusters epidemiologically. I understand there is still one case of concern that they still can't link epidemiologically, only via genome, which indicates that at least one person has it which they haven't found, which is apparently one reason they aren't considering moving down levels. There was also a case around Hobbiton, which they aren't 100% sure about, as it apparently isn't linked to the other cases, but it maybe a historical infection.

I also heard the PM say that conferences are a concern, because of the 'social events' that occur with conferences. In the first outbreak, I understand there was a big cluster involving a conference. So I do wonder if it is even wise allowing conferences, and whether they should remove those from the list in level 2. But is is still way too early to tell what effect level 2 is going to have on the spread, to even entertain the idea of Auckland moving down a level, and due to the border being open, NZ is all stuck at a similar level. It may have been wise for NZ to do things more similar to Australia, and keep state borders closed for no essential travel.

Dont think so

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#2557241 4-Sep-2020 20:09

Batman:

surfisup1000:

Why don't they tell us whether the man who just passed away had any underlying conditions. It is important for us to know the risk factors.

you'd think a reporter could ask that sort of question at the next press conference ... but would they ...

I'm not sure. But, many of the overseas stories I've read have reported on whether the person had other health issues.

It is important to know (at least for me), as it informs people of the real dangers of this disease and wards off complacency.

For example, when I heard overweight people were more at risk I shed a few kg so I was within my target BMI range, just in case.

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