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#2057588 17-Jul-2018 09:36

MikeAqua:

You also introduce operational headaches around charging. With an ICEV you have booked was left low on fuel by the last user, it's a minor inconvenience to fill it up. With an EV it's a major delay.

People don't top up with petrol when they've used a car and are likely to run it down and leave it to be the next persons problem. With an EV all vehicles could be full charged every morning giving a whole days usage, most likely with no-one ever having to be concerned about running empty. Each time the cars go back to base they could also be plugged in for a top up.

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#2057601 17-Jul-2018 10:18

Teeps:
MikeAqua:

You also introduce operational headaches around charging. With an ICEV you have booked was left low on fuel by the last user, it's a minor inconvenience to fill it up. With an EV it's a major delay.

People don't top up with petrol when they've used a car and are likely to run it down and leave it to be the next persons problem. With an EV all vehicles could be full charged every morning giving a whole days usage, most likely with no-one ever having to be concerned about running empty. Each time the cars go back to base they could also be plugged in for a top up.

Each time a vehicle comes back from use it could be topped up with fuel too, just as you have aluded too for the EV - and yet you're saying that they don't? What mkes you think the vehicle being an EV will make any difference?

For context, where I work has a policy of every vehicle being refuelled after every trip, regardless of distance etc. We even have fuel on every site. And yet, people still don't. (We also have a policy of filling out a book to document trips etc - and it's the same people who don't fill the vehicles up that don't fill the books out either...)

It will take a mindset change, and to be fair, some people are just selfish a's that you aren't going to change regardless, but it is worth doing.

I think there is plenty of scope to for Government to change a significant amount of it's vehicles over to EV, and if the PR was done right - in the same way Air New Zealand, WestPac and Meridian are doing it - there would be little public backlash and much more acceptance that government was doing it's bit to help with reducing emissions.

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#2057613 17-Jul-2018 10:29

Ge0rge:

Each time a vehicle comes back from use it could be topped up with fuel too, just as you have aluded too for the EV - and yet you're saying that they don't? What mkes you think the vehicle being an EV will make any difference?

For context, where I work has a policy of every vehicle being refuelled after every trip, regardless of distance etc. We even have fuel on every site. And yet, people still don't. (We also have a policy of filling out a book to document trips etc - and it's the same people who don't fill the vehicles up that don't fill the books out either...)

It will take a mindset change, and to be fair, some people are just selfish a's that you aren't going to change regardless, but it is worth doing.

I think there is plenty of scope to for Government to change a significant amount of it's vehicles over to EV, and if the PR was done right - in the same way Air New Zealand, WestPac and Meridian are doing it - there would be little public backlash and much more acceptance that government was doing it's bit to help with reducing emissions.

You're correct, and ICE vehicle could be topped up each and every time it's used, but that would mean a petrol station on site as you have with your company, at MUCH greater cost than installing an EV charging point in each and every pool car parking space. It would also take a lot longer to go to the pump and top up with a few litres of fuel and then find a parking space than it does to plug the car in after you have already parked, thus saving time and wage costs.

The fact that some people don't follow company policy to top up the vehicle and fill out documentation just means that policy needs enforcing better. If people have got away with not doing it for a long time without repercussion it wont change until they are forced to.

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#2057815 17-Jul-2018 15:29

Ge0rge:

For context, where I work has a policy of every vehicle being refuelled after every trip, regardless of distance etc. We even have fuel on every site. And yet, people still don't. (We also have a policy of filling out a book to document trips etc - and it's the same people who don't fill the vehicles up that don't fill the books out either...)

Ditto last two places I worked that had car fleets. You would hope people would be more considerate with an EV - but as you note there are always those people who don't top up cars.

If you have a compulsory charge after use policy, then you will need to have quite a few charge points relative to your number of EVs - especially if long trips are common. This can be problematic at sites with lots of busy electric forklifts. That could get interesting from a capex perspective.

You also need to allow time in the car booking system for charging after use. That could get interesting.

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#2057817 17-Jul-2018 15:31

Teeps:

You're correct, and ICE vehicle could be topped up each and every time it's used, but that would mean a petrol station on site as you have with your company, at MUCH greater cost than installing an EV charging point in each and every pool car parking space.

We never had our own fuel supply anywhere I worked. Just went via the service station on the way back to HQ.

But we had a half full policy.

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#2057838 17-Jul-2018 16:04

Ge0rge:
For context, where I work has a policy of every vehicle being refuelled after every trip, regardless of distance etc. We even have fuel on every site.

What's the H&S + hazardous goods overhead on that.....

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#2057845 17-Jul-2018 16:18

wellygary:
Ge0rge:
For context, where I work has a policy of every vehicle being refuelled after every trip, regardless of distance etc. We even have fuel on every site.

What's the H&S + hazardous goods overhead on that.....

Well worth it when the heavy truck fleet alone is over 1200 vehicles!

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#2057849 17-Jul-2018 16:34

wellygary:

What's the H&S + hazardous goods overhead on that.....

Much less drama for diesel than petrol or LPG.

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#2058140 18-Jul-2018 09:34

The government is also going to be making some kind of EV announcement today, I'm told.

Can someone post links / summary when it's out?

I'm at work in Brisbane all day so won't have my ears on.

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#2058188 18-Jul-2018 10:03

Linuxluver:

The government is also going to be making some kind of EV announcement today, I'm told.

Where did you hear this,

I suspect its not likely to be anything major,

( or maybe it will be total greenwash, like Kiwirail signing up to a "commitment to help New Zealand transition to a low emissions economy"

while it buys more diesel locomotives, to replace electric ones it is scrapping on the NIMT)

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#2058202 18-Jul-2018 10:21

wellygary:

Linuxluver:

The government is also going to be making some kind of EV announcement today, I'm told.

Where did you hear this,

It was being discussed (speculated upon) on the AM show today. Garner suggested a $2k subsidy would encourage to buy EVs. Presumably he was thinking about used vehicles, as the premium on the new EV is more like $20k.

I noticed a car dealership in Nelson had a couple of 2 or 3 year old imported Leaves for about $30k each (sticker price). Still seems quite expensive - especially for an import.

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#2058268 18-Jul-2018 11:06

So not only are the running costs subsidized, but the purchase price too? Great for everyone who can drop the cash on an EV that fits in with their lifestyle, bad news for everyone else underwriting it.

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#2058279 18-Jul-2018 11:21

GV27:

So not only are the running costs subsidized, but the purchase price too? Great for everyone who can drop the cash on an EV that fits in with their lifestyle, bad news for everyone else underwriting it.

Once again, the entire point of the subsidy is to encourage you to be the EV buyer, not the ICE underwriter. If it is funded as I suggested by a small tax on ICE imports then the 99.99% of people who are not currently buying a car won't be underwriting anything, and the 0.01% who are but choose an ICE vehicle anyway can deal with it.

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#2058286 18-Jul-2018 11:39

SaltyNZ:

GV27:

So not only are the running costs subsidized, but the purchase price too? Great for everyone who can drop the cash on an EV that fits in with their lifestyle, bad news for everyone else underwriting it.

Once again, the entire point of the subsidy is to encourage you to be the EV buyer, not the ICE underwriter. If it is funded as I suggested by a small tax on ICE imports then the 99.99% of people who are not currently buying a car won't be underwriting anything, and the 0.01% who are but choose an ICE vehicle anyway can deal with it.

Have you every wondered why there's so many Swifts on the market at around $7K and Nissan Leafs are priced around $15K and up? It could do with the amount of money most normal people have to spend on a car when they go to buy one.

Meanwhile, those people keep paying fuel taxes and RUC and people who have the means and lifestyle to make electric cars work for them get...another hand-out.

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#2058287 18-Jul-2018 11:46

MikeAqua: You also introduce operational headaches around charging. With an ICEV you have booked was left low on fuel by the last user, it's a minor inconvenience to fill it up. With an EV it's a major delay.

I'm sure some people will go out of their way to sabotage company EV's, but there would have been horse fans in 1904 doing the same thing with the model T, and donkey and ox fans doing the same before that to horses - it means there's something wrong with the person, not the technology. Same type of person will likely also economically sabotage the company in other ways such as leaving computers, A/C and lights on overnight.

I've worked at a couple of places that have electric forklifts and electric snorkel lifts. I'm sure some retards purposefully don't plug them in at the end of the day simply because they prefer petrol/diesel and are trying to ensure the battery vehicle fails. (I love electric equipment over diesel because it is so much cleaner and quieter and nicer if you are working indoors or close to it).

There are a bunch of wireless options for EV and I reckon once the world settles on one standard this will become standard on fleet cars. Just by parking it in it's spot it will get recharged, so the special people will have no excuse.

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