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#2159802 12-Jan-2019 16:43

KiwiME:

What items do you see as are non-compliant?

kingdragonfly: It appears to me to break every guideline for a mobility scooter, and can not used on a foot path or bike lane. The seller encouraging someone do these actions is irresponsible at best, and likely illegal

Here is the the NZTA's stance:

https://www.nzta.govt.nz/vehicles/vehicle-types/low-powered-vehicles/mobility-scooters/mini-electric-cars-faq/

In short, mobility vehicles must have been designed especially for people with impaired mobility. This vehicle, appears to have been designed as a low cost mini car for use by able bodied people. Features like being a 2 seater, and relatively large size, and high speed support this view.

Also they need to be under 1500W max power output. Listing states "Power Consumption Full load 3.28Kw/h (100Km)" The unit is nonsense, but 3.28kW of peak power would be a discharge rate of 1.7C for the battery, a plausible number.

Segways as mobility scooters, have been tested in court, and the finding was that they are not (even when used by a person with impaired mobility)

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#2159803 12-Jan-2019 16:47

kingdragonfly:

It reminds me of the Lime electric scooter mess.

With an aging society, and New Zealand lousy public transportation, the situation will get worse without speed restrictions,

The Lime Scooter mess has to me looked a lot more like young people out and about in the CBD, after years of being told off by older generations for being too shut-in and lazy. Well, which one is it? A lot of the complaints about Lime Scooters generally seem like poorly disguised rants about young people enjoying themselves.

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#2159806 12-Jan-2019 17:00

If people want to kill themselves doing something stupid, that's fine. They are taking themselves out of the gene pool, by earning a Darwin award.

When people get injured doing something stupid, I have to pay for it through ACC.

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#2159812 12-Jan-2019 17:40

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/health/109866925/acc-pays-out-200000-for-electric-scooterrelated-injury-claims

Electric scooter injury claims have seen ACC pay out more than $200,000 in just three months.

From October 14 to January 11, ACC received 655 e-scooter-related injury claims across the country - totalling a pay out of $228,364, with the majority in Auckland.

Riders losing their balance and personal control was the main cause of the claims, followed by collisions and twisting movements, with knees, hands and wrists among the most injured body parts.

In October 2018, California-based company Lime launched 600 e-scooters in Auckland and 400 in Christchurch, with more recently released in Hutt Valley and Dunedin.

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#2159834 12-Jan-2019 19:14

So, about 220 Lime scooter claims a month? Wow, that’s shocking.

At least it is until you compare it to the average monthly ACC claim rate for July 2017-June 2018 and realise it works out to about 150,000 claims a month.

So, nothing to see here.

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#2159881 12-Jan-2019 23:19

The guy going down Baldwin St was almost certainly braking the entire way. I'm sure there have been many bikes/skateboards/scooters/wheelie bins etc that have gone down faster.

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#2159947 13-Jan-2019 09:54

This discussion belongs in the lime topic.

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#2160005 13-Jan-2019 10:34

http://mypodride.com/

PodRide is the all weather, four wheel e-bike, that looks like a car.

With PodRide you can cycle anywhere, your way.

Ride in comfort, improve your health, save money, and care for the environment.

How about this as an alternative to a $80,000 new EV?

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#2160448 13-Jan-2019 19:08

It's an alternative to a bicycle.

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#2160755 14-Jan-2019 09:38

gzt: It's an alternative to a bicycle.

Well I suppose that's one way of looking at it! Perhaps a better example of a very small EV that would serve well for going to and from work every day is the Paxter, as used by NZPO. If the Paxter was fully enclosed so that you can't fall out the sides, then it might be all that people need to travel short distances.

After all, at the moment a lot of people who own EVs use them only for travelling short distances and they own a petrol vehicle for longer trips. So why have a large and very expensive EV if it's only going to be used around town?

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#2160760 14-Jan-2019 09:50

frednz:

Perhaps a better example of a very small EV that would serve well for going to and from work every day is the Paxter, as used by NZPO. If the Paxter was fully enclosed so that you can't fall out the sides, then it might be all that people need to travel short distances.

Would such a vehicle be legal for people to drive on the roads here in NZ? I'm assuming NZP's exemption is to the ability to use them on the footpath, but they don't need anything special to use them on the roads?

They seem to be able to go a decent speed; if that can be tweaked to about 55kmh (given they'd be sitting in the car lane so would need to keep up with the normal road traffic) they'd possibly be viable. I wonder what the range is...

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#2160762 14-Jan-2019 09:59

frednz:

gzt: It's an alternative to a bicycle.

Well I suppose that's one way of looking at it! Perhaps a better example of a very small EV that would serve well for going to and from work every day is the Paxter, as used by NZPO. If the Paxter was fully enclosed so that you can't fall out the sides, then it might be all that people need to travel short distances.

After all, at the moment a lot of people who own EVs use them only for travelling short distances and they own a petrol vehicle for longer trips. So why have a large and very expensive EV if it's only going to be used around town?

Because a Paxster costs $23 K.... most households don't have that kind of cash to spend on a single person work commuter..

For that they can get a fairly good spec imported Leaf that can do everything an ICE can do around town.....

...its really a no brainer why these vehicles never catch on.. they simply cost to much

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#2160763 14-Jan-2019 10:02

jonathan18:

frednz:

Perhaps a better example of a very small EV that would serve well for going to and from work every day is the Paxter, as used by NZPO. If the Paxter was fully enclosed so that you can't fall out the sides, then it might be all that people need to travel short distances.

Would such a vehicle be legal for people to drive on the roads here in NZ? I'm assuming NZP's exemption is to the ability to use them on the footpath, but they don't need anything special to use them on the roads?

They seem to be able to go a decent speed; if that can be tweaked to about 55kmh (given they'd be sitting in the car lane so would need to keep up with the normal road traffic) they'd possibly be viable. I wonder what the range is...

Paxsters are registered and road legal, in fact they caused a spike in the EV stats due to the number of them in the very tiny EV fleet a few years ago...