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#2561878 10-Sep-2020 19:09

Introducing the Lucid Air.

A U.S. tech start up that have been teasing this for 4 years.

They claim a range for one version of the Air as 832km

https://www.autocar.co.nz/autocar-news-app/the-worlds-best-ev-832km-range-tesla-fighter-unveiled

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#2561907 10-Sep-2020 20:52

That 832km of range is all yours for NZ$253k!

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#2561936 10-Sep-2020 21:50

I didn't say it was cheap!

Story says US $131,500 which in the article is claiming as $196,900 NZD. Add GST, and your at around $227,000. That's more than a well spec'd Tesla Model S, more than the entry level Porsche Taycan 4S, but less than the Top end Taycan's.

Styling is a subjective thing, but to me, I like the look of it over a Tesla. It doesn't matter though, because I can't afford either!

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#2561939 10-Sep-2020 22:11

The articles I've seen have said that the top specced model is $169k.

I'm happy that Tesla has more competition as it keeps them innovating. However, I'm a little dubious how successful a start up catering to the top tier luxury sedan market is going to be. However, if they are then the likes of BMW, Audi and Mercedes have another thorn in their side.

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#2561968 10-Sep-2020 22:48

In other news, it seems like the government is testing the Audi eTron as a crown car. One has been spotted with crown plates in Wellington and apparently there are three of them in the fleet at the moment.

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#2571944 22-Sep-2020 12:49

For those who have apple TV, Ewan Mcgreggors latest bike safari is on. Running from bottom south america to LA.

Difference is that using electric bikes. Harvey Davidsons.

Backup vehicles are the first and second ever built Rivians so also electric.

Funny moment when crew turned up to examine the riviansbtwo weeks before the start and found them still to be shells...

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#2571979 22-Sep-2020 13:18

Obraik: In other news, it seems like the government is testing the Audi eTron as a crown car. One has been spotted with crown plates in Wellington and apparently there are three of them in the fleet at the moment.

Nice if you can affords the $134 grand to buy it.

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#2571997 22-Sep-2020 13:38

Obraik: In other news, it seems like the government is testing the Audi eTron as a crown car. One has been spotted with crown plates in Wellington and apparently there are three of them in the fleet at the moment.

Yip, and executive transport sequentially register their vehicles as they acquire them, so tossing CR 671,2,3 into carjam pops them up....

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#2572013 22-Sep-2020 13:47

Interesting progress in the NZ used market of late.

As normal we have large numbers (735) of Nissan leaf's on trademe, however 13 of these are the new 62kWh, 160kW e-plus vairant, starting from $53k. Prices of the 40kWh variant of the second generation leaf are also dropping, now starting from around $35k.

We have, two Honda e's ($73k), Kia Soul ($80k) the VW id.3 ($90k) showing up in our used market. Obviously high prices, reflective of vehicles that are in relatively short supply being sourced in the UK being shipped across the world to NZ. But great they we have some here.

We also are seeing the likes of lightly used Kona's show up at a bit cheaper prices in the used market. There is one listed at $63k at the moment. We also have a new Kia Niro with the 64kWh battery pack listed, implying that the supply shortage of this model has ease.

New LDV EV80's are also listed. With the van variant asking $80,480 and the cab chassis variant asking $63,240.

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#2572764 23-Sep-2020 12:58

The Tesla Model S Plaid is now available for pre-order - for a cheap NZ$257,900.

That gets you:

Quickest 0-100 km/h and quarter mile acceleration of any production car ever
Acceleration from 0-100 km/h: <2.1 s
Quarter mile: <9.0 s
Tri-Motor All Wheel Drive
320km/h top speed
840+km range for your Auckland to Wellington daily commute

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#2572771 23-Sep-2020 13:22

Think you missed the huge bit from battery day, kWh price decrease of 56% and range increase of 54% within the next few years if their plans work out.

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#2572781 23-Sep-2020 13:44

Yes, there was much more to battery day than just the new Model S configuration.

In addition to the stats you mentioned, they're also starting to use the battery as part of the structure of the car to improve rigidity of the car, handling and energy density. Elon said on stage that this would make a convertible Tesla using this technology more rigid than a non-convertible traditional ICE car.

They're also "cleaning up" battery manufacturing such as eliminating waste water from the whole cathode production process by removing the sulphate stage, sourcing raw materials domestically from within the US to reduce material travel, eliminating Cobalt in favour of Nickle and increasing recycling to the point where all new batteries will come from old batteries (as the fleet becomes more electric)

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#2572905 23-Sep-2020 15:59

Obraik:

they're also starting to use the battery as part of the structure of the car to improve rigidity of the car, handling and energy density.

Whilst all those things are good, I'm not sure I like the idea that the battery is no longer protected from impact damage, but instead is expected to do absorb or transmit the impact forces. Is a crash going to buckle the battery and expose lithium to the air, starting a fire? Admittedly, this is probably less bad than a fire in a petrol-powered car.

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#2572972 23-Sep-2020 16:50

frankv:

Obraik:

they're also starting to use the battery as part of the structure of the car to improve rigidity of the car, handling and energy density.

Whilst all those things are good, I'm not sure I like the idea that the battery is no longer protected from impact damage, but instead is expected to do absorb or transmit the impact forces. Is a crash going to buckle the battery and expose lithium to the air, starting a fire? Admittedly, this is probably less bad than a fire in a petrol-powered car.

I think you have some factual error there. Li-Ion batteries contain lithium as a salt rather than in its elemental form. FWIK the fire risk from Li-Ion batteries comes from short circuiting igniting the electrolyte liquid, usually in a 'thermal runaway' situation. Obviously an impact sufficient to distort the internals of the battery will be a risk factor but this risk is well recognised by Tesla so will be mitigated by the design of structural battery componentry I would imagine.

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#2572989 23-Sep-2020 18:15

Electrek: Tesla has some major Model Y quality issues

Ever since Tesla restarted Model Y deliveries after reopening its Fremont factory, new buyers have been reporting some significant quality issues.

It’s not unusual for new vehicles to have some quality issues early in their production ramp.

At that point, automakers are still trying to tune production processes and with a higher rate of issues, more of them can slip by quality control.

However, when it comes to Model Y, it appears to be a greater problem than usual even by Tesla’s standards.

The forums are flooded with new buyers reporting issues with their new Model Y, refusing deliveries, and in some cases, Tesla proactively canceling deliveries due to issues.
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