Fueling up with kids in the car

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#1296167 3-May-2015 16:13

True. Thank God that Gull doesn't have ads like that.

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#1296213 3-May-2015 18:00

I was in a bus once here in Wellington that briefly "popped into" the bus depot to refuel as it drove past. (Actually, it was slightly out of the way, but whatever...)

We were all allowed to stay on board

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#1296224 3-May-2015 18:35

wasabi2k: On a more useful note: does anyone have any recommendations on good/affordable extinguishers for the car?
Will need 3 (mine, wife's, stepsons)
I see that Dry Powder is recommended - Super Cheap, Repco, Mitre 10 all have them. Anything to look for?

Just be aware that dry powder will erode anything it touches, and its not uncommon to get electrical faults in cars where you have used dry powder extinguishers a few months later. There is also a risk that the insurance company won't cover the cost of electrical faults from the effect of the dry powder.

If you have a rare car or an expensive one (or a modern one with lots of electronics), you are probably better off using a foam extinguisher. They are more costly, but the cost if you have to use it will be a lot less.

Same goes for your home extinguisher. Not uncommon for the cost of cleaning and discarding of electronics after using the extinguisher to reach $10,000.

(The powder gets into TVs, computers, etc. and will ruin things like the varnish of wood floors etc.)

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#1296231 3-May-2015 18:51

its dry powder and moisture where you get problems, especially on the insulation on cables.

when we use it we have to make sure everything gets thoroughly cleaned afterwards.

The only issue with a foam extinguisher is you need a lot more foam compared to dry powder, and with a fuel or oil fire it needs to smother it, and its a lot harder to do so in an engine bay, you need to see where the fire is which is not always possible, where as dry powder your removing the oxygen in one swift motion.

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#1296285 3-May-2015 21:16

I hadn't really looked at the extinguishing effects (classes) of 1 KG powder extinguishers before, but looked at it now. By going from 1 KG powder (found them to typically be 5A, 43B classed) to a 2 liter foam extinguisher (5A 55B), you would actually get a slightly better extinguisher for fuel fires (B-class) and the same effect for materials/wood/paper (A-class).

So I know what I would choose.

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#1296308 3-May-2015 21:59

sidefx:

Funny.

I suggested to my wife that her brother was abusing their new daughter by not moving to the SE of England from the Grim North to raise her! She agreed but thought it unlikely he ever would.

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#1296352 3-May-2015 23:22

A better question might be, do you leave your kids in the car while you pay for the fuel? I always walk mine into the servo but see plenty of others just leaving their kids in the car. I've been commended for it once. I've seen my rug rat undo his seat lock and climb out the front doors so I certainly can't leave mine there.

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#1296381 4-May-2015 06:18

jarledb: I hadn't really looked at the extinguishing effects (classes) of 1 KG powder extinguishers before, but looked at it now. By going from 1 KG powder (found them to typically be 5A, 43B classed) to a 2 liter foam extinguisher (5A 55B), you would actually get a slightly better extinguisher for fuel fires (B-class) and the same effect for materials/wood/paper (A-class).

So I know what I would choose.

im a qualified firefighter, and also in the navy and we practise this sort of thing regularly. It takes a lot longer to put a fire out with foam than with powder.

id take the powder for an in car fire any day, but only real advantage the foam has its the cooling effect which would minimize the change of a reflash

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#1297407 4-May-2015 08:44

Yeah, it is more of a last resort, use this so we don't all burn alive type thing - so I could live with damage to the car. If dry powder puts out fires better I will go with that.

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#1297495 4-May-2015 10:54

I fly every week and about once every 10 flights AirNZ fuel a plane while I am on board. These are on Q300's. The procedure is that passengers have to unbuckle their seatbelts, and the door stays open.

If all passengers seat are full, and the jump seat is in use to there are 51 passengers plus 3 crew on board, and the only immediately available fire appliance is on the fuel tanker. There woudl be a maximum of safe 3 exits available in the event of fire.

If that is considered safe by the CAA then I think you have no concerns with refueling car with kids in it. Yes jet fuel is harder to ingite, but it does burn quite nicely once it gets going. When refueling a car there is likely be a safe exit available on one side as the fire establishes and only a couple of kids to get out of it.

One could minimise the risk further by unbuckling the kids before fueling, using pay at pump, and keeping the car unlocked during fueling.

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#1297619 4-May-2015 13:07

I understand EEC regulations state that when a two-seater Typhoon Eurofighter is undergoing mid-air refueling, the co-pilot has to step out of the cockpit until the operation is complete.

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#1297637 4-May-2015 13:55

Makes sense. Someone has to pay for it, and the pilot is busy keeping the aircraft steady!

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#1297744 4-May-2015 16:12

Aircraft refuelling is a bit different from cars, mainly because the volumes, and therefore flow rates, tend to be larger. In aircraft, these are big enough to build up a voltage between the petrol and the aircraft. Hence, aircraft must be earthed when they're being refuelled.

Helicopters (and topdressers and military?) can hot-refuel... that is, refuel whilst the engine is running. But again, they must have special equipment/procedures to make that safe.

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#1297931 4-May-2015 21:16

Kiwifruta: When we refuelled in Argentina all passengers had to exit the vehicle. There are signs everywhere, not sure if it was company policy or the law.

A quick google tells me it's the law for CNG fuelled cars. Anyone remember the rules for CNG cars in NZ? My parents had one, but I can't remember if we had to get out or not.

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