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#2621580 15-Dec-2020 06:16

This team that is ranked joint number one and has over 750 wickets from it's top 3 bowlers is a failure. Axe the selectors.

Bring back the young guns with Michael Owens opening the bowling and Blair Hartland opening the batting. Those were the days.

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#2621582 15-Dec-2020 06:31

Bit of a stretch there. I guess if we make the World Champs we will be near favourite. It does help playing poor teams at home though. NZ vs Australia, tight game, we are joint number 1 so looking great. Devon Conway will be a good water boy too

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#2623274 17-Dec-2020 13:32

tdgeek:

Bit of a stretch there. I guess if we make the World Champs we will be near favourite. It does help playing poor teams at home though. NZ vs Australia, tight game, we are joint number 1 so looking great. Devon Conway will be a good water boy too

Tight game? We have been thrashed by them in our last 5 games. Remember the final will not be on a 5-day green seamer. We might actually have to get some of them out with a spinner. Lyon v Santner/Patel/Sodhi is a mismatch.

Our best bet for winning it would have been India in the UK.

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#2623282 17-Dec-2020 13:55

Jas777:

tdgeek:

Bit of a stretch there. I guess if we make the World Champs we will be near favourite. It does help playing poor teams at home though. NZ vs Australia, tight game, we are joint number 1 so looking great. Devon Conway will be a good water boy too

Tight game? We have been thrashed by them in our last 5 games. Remember the final will not be on a 5-day green seamer. We might actually have to get some of them out with a spinner. Lyon v Santner/Patel/Sodhi is a mismatch.

Our best bet for winning it would have been India in the UK.

Being sarcastic, should have put a /s but I thought it was obvious. Based on our ICC Test No.1 ranking. We will be thrashed if we get there. But, we do have a potentially very very good team, a lot of depth if we choose to use it.

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#2623285 17-Dec-2020 14:11

Jas777:
tdgeek:

Bit of a stretch there. I guess if we make the World Champs we will be near favourite. It does help playing poor teams at home though. NZ vs Australia, tight game, we are joint number 1 so looking great. Devon Conway will be a good water boy too

Tight game? We have been thrashed by them in our last 5 games. Remember the final will not be on a 5-day green seamer. We might actually have to get some of them out with a spinner. Lyon v Santner/Patel/Sodhi is a mismatch.

Our best bet for winning it would have been India in the UK.

If we do end up making it to the finals for the Test World Championship then NZ should bat first at Lords.

Here’s my Test XI for Lords:
1. Latham
2. Young/Blundell
3. Williamson
4. Conway
5. Taylor
6. Watling
7. De Grandhomme
8. Santner
9. Southee/Jamieson
10. Wagner
11. Boult

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#2624733 20-Dec-2020 23:29

Williamson terrible again. Must be dropped.

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#2624739 20-Dec-2020 23:57

Handle9: Williamson terrible again. Must be dropped.

He went a bit too slow at the beginning of the innings. Why leave it to the last over to win the game. We should have won the game in the 17th over at the latest.

At least Williamson did better than Guptill. I don’t think Guptill is that good anymore. I would have Seifert and Philips opening then Conway, Williamson and Taylor.

Remember the next T20 World Cup will be hosted by India and we all know Guptill weakness is against spin. He will perform like he did at the 2019 World Cup.

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#2624746 21-Dec-2020 01:57

Lol. That's pretty funny.

Winning by 9 wickets isn't good enough for you...

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#2624823 21-Dec-2020 10:06

Winning by 9 wickets sounds like a walkover. Winning with 3-4 balls remaining sounds like a near-miss

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#2625059 21-Dec-2020 17:54

9 wickets when you only need 6 RPO for the last 7 overs is dominant. If you don't need to take risks why take them?

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#2625082 21-Dec-2020 19:03

Handle9: 9 wickets when you only need 6 RPO for the last 7 overs is dominant. If you don't need to take risks why take them?

I didn't see most of the second innings, but yes, I get that. I would take the future stance. Easy wins against the Windies and this lack lustre Paki team is good. But it doesn't help us against the big boys. To compete against Oz we need to take over lesser teams. Get the knee on the throat mentality, as most if not all elite teams have.

I think we all "possibly" agree what a 3 anything series against Australia would end like. Dominated at the minimum. What we have could be potentially very very good, but having narrow wins against low opposition is in my opinion, not the platform to grow from.

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#2625084 21-Dec-2020 19:09

No we don't all agree at all. When we play Australia in New Zealand we generally do very well.

As usual you are discounting the quality of our performances. Every side that comes to NZ is rubbish according to you. Pakistan isn't a lowly ranked team in any way but they are playing away.

It's rare for sides to win away, including Australia.

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#2625087 21-Dec-2020 19:22

Handle9: No we don't all agree at all. When we play Australia in New Zealand we generally do very well.

As usual you are discounting the quality of our performances. Every side that comes to NZ is rubbish according to you. Pakistan isn't a lowly ranked team in any way but they are playing away.

It's rare for sides to win away, including Australia.

Sorry for expecting a discussion. instead its the usual negative. Windies are a rebuilding team. Expected. Pakistan is lowly ranked Test and ODI but well placed T20. Expected a solid opposition in T20, didnt happen against a NZ B team where all the key bowlers were rested. I dont really see that as usual rubbishing them, it's realistic. Yes, we have an advantage playing at home, that's why the ICC test rankings are a bit of a joke. Great to see, but we have had easy street. Lesser teams often, at home often.

If we want to win at the highest level, we need to up our game. Wins against these two sides are probably a negative. You are better to as an analogy, lose to AUS 4 times then go to a series, than win 4 times agains a lesser team.

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#2638400 19-Jan-2021 18:47

Not on topic but not worth a new topic.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/cricket/123990111/mark-reason-australias-cricket-loses-honour-in-shameful-short-bowling-assault-on-india

Its one thing playing hard, but once again poor sportsmanship prevails. Bodyline, when was that? Seems ages ago, but its todays news again.

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#2638447 19-Jan-2021 21:15

Australia and scummy cricket (sport in general) tactics. If this is how you get to be "the best" I'll hard pass and happily settle for being second or third. Good job on India for beating them anyway.

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