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#2638543 20-Jan-2021 05:08

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Australia and scummy cricket (sport in general) tactics. If this is how you get to be "the best" I'll hard pass and happily settle for being second or third. Good job on India for beating them anyway.

Guess how the rest of the world views the All Blacks?

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#2638546 20-Jan-2021 06:41

Handle9:

Guess how the rest of the world views the All Blacks?

UK sport media leans towards unbridled nationalism most of the time anyway - they'll be that way about anyone who dominates global rugby if they aren't from the home unions.

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#2638554 20-Jan-2021 07:23

GV27:
Handle9:

Guess how the rest of the world views the All Blacks?

UK sport media leans towards unbridled nationalism most of the time anyway - they'll be that way about anyone who dominates global rugby if they aren't from the home unions.

The NZ sports media aren't partisan cheerleaders? Lol.

The rest of the world think the All Blacks are cheats, not just the home unions. It goes with the territory.

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#2638556 20-Jan-2021 07:36

Looking slightly promising re the World Series

https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/cricket/black-caps/123996350/what-indias-win-at-the-gabba-means-for-the-black-caps-and-the-world-test-championship

"The simplest way for that to happen is if South Africa beats Australia at least once in their three-test series, which is scheduled to start at the end of February, but is yet to be officially confirmed."

"If South Africa and Australia were to draw two of their three tests – having only drawn once in South Africa in 24 meetings there since the Proteas’ readmission to test cricket in 1991 – that would also be enough."

Its unlikely that ENG would do enough to help us out

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#2638568 20-Jan-2021 07:57

I'm very skeptical the SA Australia series will happen.

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#2638574 20-Jan-2021 08:25

Handle9: I'm very skeptical the SA Australia series will happen.

If it didn't happen, we would be guaranteed No.2 spot?

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#2638602 20-Jan-2021 09:47

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Handle9: I'm very skeptical the SA Australia series will happen.

If it didn't happen, we would be guaranteed No.2 spot?

Since India won yesterday test match against Australia does this mean they must go to South Africa?

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#2650842 10-Feb-2021 10:14

Dochart:

Since India won yesterday test match against Australia does this mean they must go to South Africa?

I believe for NZ to make it prior to Aus vs India, India needed to lose 3 tests, I believe this is still the case vs Eng, so they are down 1 now. So its possible in theory I believe NZ could play Aus at Lords. Or if SA series goes ahead, its possible NZ might miss out completely.

If only we hadnt had all those injuries vs Aus 19/20 and had at least drawn 1 of the 3 tests. We had our chances with Aus 4-5 down for 100 in both 2nd and 3rd test. Boult was playing injured, Paine saved the day test 2 and Marnus saved test 3.

Back to the Aus tour of NZ for the up coming games, imo, these players have forced their way into the NZ side with amazing form in both NZ and Aus t20 comps, I care less for this "Zen" teams theory Mccullum has, not with T20s, its all about form.

1.Finn Allen
2. Colin Munro
3. Devon Conway
4. Glenn Phillips
5. Ross Taylor
6. Tim Seifert
7. Kyle Jamieson
8. Santner
9. Ish sodhi
10. Southee
11. Boult

With t20 bowling being largely about Pace off, Id be picking bowlers who can vary their pace greatly or are capable spinners who can bat, ie Southee, Santner. There are 2 blanks there, Im pretty tempted to pick Ajaz Patel or Ish Sodhi (who can bat pretty good now).

Rosco had an amazing game in his last match so I think he should be 4, the question is, do you keep Kane, or use T20 specialists. Tim seifert was outstanding in the CPL and learnt a lot in the IPL, he is a match winner, actually all these names are. You can bet Aus will be picking Phillipe and co, players who have muscled their way in, much like Finn Allen has been in NZ, Munro was named in the BBL All Stars team, had a great contest, shame he failed in the final, but so did a lot of the Scorchers. He did take some blinder catches out on the rope though.

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#2650894 10-Feb-2021 10:56

TeaLeaf:
Dochart:

Since India won yesterday test match against Australia does this mean they must go to South Africa?

I believe for NZ to make it prior to Aus vs India, India needed to lose 3 tests, I believe this is still the case vs Eng, so they are down 1 now. So its possible in theory I believe NZ could play Aus at Lords. Or if SA series goes ahead, its possible NZ might miss out completely.

If only we hadnt had all those injuries vs Aus 19/20 and had at least drawn 1 of the 3 tests. We had our chances with Aus 4-5 down for 100 in both 2nd and 3rd test. Boult was playing injured, Paine saved the day test 2 and Marnus saved test 3.

Back to the Aus tour of NZ for the up coming games, imo, these players have forced their way into the NZ side with amazing form in both NZ and Aus t20 comps, I care less for this "Zen" teams theory Mccullum has, not with T20s, its all about form.

1.Finn Allen
2. Colin Munro
3. Devon Conway
4. Glenn Phillips
5. Ross Taylor
6. Tim Seifert
7. Kyle Jamieson
8. Santner
9. Ish sodhi
10. Southee
11. Boult

With t20 bowling being largely about Pace off, Id be picking bowlers who can vary their pace greatly or are capable spinners who can bat, ie Southee, Santner. There are 2 blanks there, Im pretty tempted to pick Ajaz Patel or Ish Sodhi (who can bat pretty good now).

Rosco had an amazing game in his last match so I think he should be 4, the question is, do you keep Kane, or use T20 specialists. Tim seifert was outstanding in the CPL and learnt a lot in the IPL, he is a match winner, actually all these names are. You can bet Aus will be picking Phillipe and co, players who have muscled their way in, much like Finn Allen has been in NZ, Munro was named in the BBL All Stars team, had a great contest, shame he failed in the final, but so did a lot of the Scorchers. He did take some blinder catches out on the rope though.

I still think Williamson deserves to be in Blackcaps T20 team.

I’ve been watching some of the Super Smash games and notice Guptill hasn’t been playing. Do you know if he’s been injured or dropped.

I hope with the T20 World Cup being played in India that Siefert and Munro will be our opening pair.

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#2650914 10-Feb-2021 11:18

TeaLeaf:

Dochart:

Since India won yesterday test match against Australia does this mean they must go to South Africa?

I believe for NZ to make it prior to Aus vs India, India needed to lose 3 tests, I believe this is still the case vs Eng, so they are down 1 now. So its possible in theory I believe NZ could play Aus at Lords. Or if SA series goes ahead, its possible NZ might miss out completely.

If only we hadnt had all those injuries vs Aus 19/20 and had at least drawn 1 of the 3 tests. We had our chances with Aus 4-5 down for 100 in both 2nd and 3rd test. Boult was playing injured, Paine saved the day test 2 and Marnus saved test 3.

Back to the Aus tour of NZ for the up coming games, imo, these players have forced their way into the NZ side with amazing form in both NZ and Aus t20 comps, I care less for this "Zen" teams theory Mccullum has, not with T20s, its all about form.

1.Finn Allen
2. Colin Munro
3. Devon Conway
4. Glenn Phillips
5. Ross Taylor
6. Tim Seifert
7. Kyle Jamieson
8. Santner
9. Ish sodhi
10. Southee
11. Boult

With t20 bowling being largely about Pace off, Id be picking bowlers who can vary their pace greatly or are capable spinners who can bat, ie Southee, Santner. There are 2 blanks there, Im pretty tempted to pick Ajaz Patel or Ish Sodhi (who can bat pretty good now).

Rosco had an amazing game in his last match so I think he should be 4, the question is, do you keep Kane, or use T20 specialists. Tim seifert was outstanding in the CPL and learnt a lot in the IPL, he is a match winner, actually all these names are. You can bet Aus will be picking Phillipe and co, players who have muscled their way in, much like Finn Allen has been in NZ, Munro was named in the BBL All Stars team, had a great contest, shame he failed in the final, but so did a lot of the Scorchers. He did take some blinder catches out on the rope though.

Your team doesn't have a batsman who can bowl a bit.

Seifert has shown before he doesn't suit the number 6 role and hasn't taken NZ home to a win when needed.

Can you pick Ross Taylor on 1 inning?

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#2652966 10-Feb-2021 13:01

Kyle Jamieson could be considered a "batsman who can bowl a bit".
He was originally a batsmen before learning to bowl and is capable with the bat.

A good spinner is definitely where NZ is lacking. I would support not even playing one (or putting Kane in as the spin option)

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#2653063 10-Feb-2021 15:10

Dochart:
I still think Williamson deserves to be in Blackcaps T20 team.

Guppy has done a hammy, I dont know if he would be ready, but given so many other players proving form in both the Pak/Wi games and in domestic, would be hard to pick him too, even though he is one of my all time favs, his straight lofted drive is no doubt the best in the game, love it when he holds the pose after he connects like a golf swing :-)

Is hard to know if they will use these as more trials for the T20 WC. I think Williamson has to be in the squad, but its hard to pick him over some of these young guns. In saying that, hes a good anchor. But if you want to compete with Aus, you have to have high strike rates all the way through. Tough call, I been muddling it around since the WI T20s.

Finn Allen though, has to be picked to show what he can do, Conway his opening partner for the Firebirds has also been on fire (no pun). Munro was sensational in the Aus season. Id probably only consider Williamson in place of Seifert. But hes been one of the few good players in a team that is nye on the Blackcaps, is ridiculous how many Northern Knights are black caps. I suppose Tauraunga has attracted a lot of them. Personally I dont like Tauaranga that much, too much like Qld beaches for me, I prefer NSW coastline, so like Tutukaka coastline, which was ranked #2 coastline in the world recently.

Im not sure about Boult as well, tough call given he was once world #1, but he hasnt had good form for a fair while now and he cant bat, where Southee was actually an all rounder originally but took batting as a bit of joke in the end. Milne was pretty good in the Big Bash. If Lockie was fit he would be a no brainer imo. We have a couple of late teens coming through that bowl 150 plus, that is exciting for NZ cricket. Its not just a once in a century team anymore, NZ is now producing quality consistantly.

As for Test World Champs, its possible both Aus and Ind might miss out and be NZ vs Eng, I do not think Eng vs Ind is possible now. It will come down to this Eng tour and if Aus get to play SA, Im sure they will make that happen. So could be Aus vs Eng even.

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#2653069 10-Feb-2021 15:28

NotATurkey: Kyle Jamieson could be considered a "batsman who can bowl a bit".
He was originally a batsmen before learning to bowl and is capable with the bat.

A good spinner is definitely where NZ is lacking. I would support not even playing one (or putting Kane in as the spin option)

Yep, averaging 50 odd with the bat and 12 with the ball in Tests haha, just a bit.

Yep Kane as a spin option is a good one, for me he is our Batsman who can bowl a bit. Although personally Id drop Santner and bowl Sodhi in that case. Sodhi is proving he is our only real wrist spinner who can rip it like Warne, but he also is the only one with all the deliveries a leggy has. Ajaz is more Wiley and Wise though. Not enough spots for them all which is a great place for NZ cricket to be in.

Plenty of options, I think they will test these young guys out though, given how close WC is.

Yes is hard to pick Ross based on one innings, all be it a sensational one. Perhaps Kane could replace Ross. I dont think Ross is playing in the Aus tour, but will be selected for the World Cup. They need to try out these young guns more than anything else, try to match Aus team with a NZ team of similarly capable players, ie consistently 200+ team

Finn Allen though, is my main interest in rewarding obvious talent with a black cap, he is NZ's equal to Phillipe is for Aus. Both incredibly talented young men with insane hand speed. Cant wait to see Phillipe in NZ. He will make the Aus ODI team Im sure and potentially the Test squad. He could be Mr Sandpaper replacement at the top of the order. Vince must have felt bad for running him out in the final haha, or not running as such. But then Vince was the main reason Sydney won, lucky for them the run out incident didnt mean both players out cheap. Vince is either hit 90 quickly or out for 5 type batsman. Is awesome to see international players in nearly every league. Even NZ has a couple.

Finn hits the ball harder than any other NZ player and with more consistency. Seldom does he hit a mis hit. Also because he has such incredibly fast hands, he is good with both the bouncer, the off pace ball and what is becoming a sour point for many in cricket, the full toss. They need to start penalising bowlers who trying to produce yorkers but are bowling often dangerous deliveries. It has been mentioned in every league ive watched, so hopefully they clamp down on it. Somebody is going to get hit in the head sooner than later in a major tournament.

ive also REALLY enjoyed watching all the Ladies games and enjoyed them in commentary. Although I wish they would turn the stump Mic off when Katy Martyn is keeping, she is just too over the top with banter and team talk. But some of these women could compete in the means game imo. Great to see the Auckland hearts doing so good, knocking Wellington women out of a garunteed final, now Canterbury owe Auckland a favour. So the game tomorrow is a repeat of the Auck vs Welli game on the weekend. You also have the mens knock out game.

I use to hate t20, but its becoming less of a game of luck and there is some genuine strategy in it now, seeing more and more games going down to the last over etc. Although I wish they would stop adding non traditional things to the game, it doesnt need it imo. Still a die hard test follower though, I love nothing better than sitting on the couch for 5 days to watch a Draw rofl (becoming more rare in NZ with the surfaces being 4 day game surfaces)

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#2653071 10-Feb-2021 15:31

TeaLeaf:

As for Test World Champs, its possible both Aus and Ind might miss out and be NZ vs Eng, I do not think Eng vs Ind is possible now. It will come down to this Eng tour and if Aus get to play SA, Im sure they will make that happen. So could be Aus vs Eng even.

Last I heard Aus have cancelled that tour, so that leaves the Test World Champs as NZ vs someone

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#2653076 10-Feb-2021 15:38

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Last I heard Aus have cancelled that tour, so that leaves the Test World Champs as NZ vs someone

The commentary during the BBL final was about trying to make it happen some how, not sure if there has been any more recent news.

If that is the case, Its looking more like NZ vs Eng at this stage then. Eng decimated Ind in Ind. I thought Eng batted wayyyy too long in their 2nd innings, to the point of absurdity, but none the less they got Ind out. IMO you should always leave as much time as possible to bowl a team out, scoring so many runs that makes it impossible for the other team to win is defeatous imo. Eng should have left it at 370 lead meaning Ind had to score one of the all time great come backs at 3.2rpo on the final day for a LOT of overs. Sometimes Kane does this too imo. I think Mccullum had a more "you have to play to win, to win" mentality. Kane luckily has a much better team around him to captain. But on occasion he is too defensive. NZ's winning record wont show that though, which again is largely due to the best all round team NZ has ever had.

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