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#2824748 5-Dec-2021 19:13

Brilliant innings again from Ind, just not relenting attacking the bad ball and even looking to hit the constant bounce theory from the NZ seamers. I cannot see Ind declaring any later than 500, I think they already have 200 too much runs for NZs shakey batting lineup. Just too good for NZ, cant go past it, they deserve to be wear they are with their intent with both bat and ball, constantly getting on top of NZ, leaving very little inroads available for NZ. Ajaz still getting the odd one to rip back, where similar from Santner at the other end would have been good, even if not as much rip he would have produced the occasional peach.

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#2824750 5-Dec-2021 19:19

TeaLeaf:

Brilliant innings again from Ind, just not relenting attacking the bad ball and even looking to hit the constant bounce theory from the NZ seamers. I cannot see Ind declaring any later than 500, I think they already have 200 too much runs for NZs shakey batting lineup. Just too good for NZ, cant go past it, they deserve to be wear they are with their intent with both bat and ball, constantly getting on top of NZ, leaving very little inroads available for NZ. Ajaz still getting the odd one to rip back, where similar from Santner at the other end would have been good, even if not as much rip he would have produced the occasional peach.

OMG lol

"with their intent with both bat and ball" Its quite good to have intent when you are India, in India.

"Ajaz still getting the odd one to rip " From what Ive watched today and what the commentators are saying, that seems to be rather understated..

"where similar from Santner at the other end would have been good" Santner cannot bowl like Patel. Not as much rip? Hardly any rip. Occasional peach, yes, like any bowler does.

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#2824754 5-Dec-2021 19:28

tdgeek:

Ive stated my opinion on your, shall we say bias, and shall we say expertise, and an inability to have robust discussion if it doesnt suit your narrative. By which you gaslight, yourself.

You are not stating anything, you are not stating where you think NZ have gone wrong, you are not stating why Somerville was or wasnt a good decision especially given the 1st test, you havnt stated why Santner was a good option as was Wagner and potentially GP. All things everybody else in cricket is analysing, thats all they and I are doing.

Its not personal, so why are you taking it too heart so much? Cricket is the most analytical sport I know of. Commentary right now are talking about Lathams captaincy or the problems with it, what, they are not meant to speak about the bad points, that is attacking the captain? NO its not. If you cannot analyse the sport without taking it personally or thinking other people think they are "experts" simply because they have opinions and have the guts to state them, which in my case are not often outside the consensus, then this is the wrong sport for you. I have ZERO bias, I have opinions, but I never have bias, I see the good, the bad, the ugly and make my commentary based on what I see, not what stats say (sometimes stats can help form an opinion) or because I think XYZ is the better team, person, captain. Im extremely proud of my team, but Im happy to see us lose, but Im also happy to state what they did wrong, right and indifferent. Including captaincy.

Test cricket is not a sit back viewer sport, what kind of person sits back for 5 days when the game can be a draw and not have an opinion on the players and the captaincy and make criticism based on those opinions? Nobody. Nobody Ive ever known.

Again, make your comments about the play, the criticism and what you think would have worked better.

Happy to discuss why, what I have said about this test so far, is wrong. But only my analysis. Which again has been fairly obvious and inline with online cricket clubs and TV commentary. But if you disagree, lets here your opinion. But leave making it personal at the door.

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#2824757 5-Dec-2021 19:38

tdgeek:

OMG lol

This, its emotive and suggesting a belittling of somebodies opinion, leave it out. This is the gas lighting. You are making opinions personal by your language.

No you mis understand what they are saying about Santner and why he would have been a good choice, its not because of the spin, its the line, so rip is really unimportant. And definitely his batting whilst not world class all rounder, is handy. Also a brilliant fielder. His line would have been veru similar to Ajaz and I tend to agree with the Indian commentary that he would have been a natural to back up Ajaz due to both being left hand orthodox.

They are criticising Latham for under bowling the other two, but more so for not giving them direction where he wants the ball. For me Somerville has to try and go from out wide around the wicket and hit the inside of the leg side footmarks and have it come across the face of the right handers. I dont see him troubling them bowling at 4th off stump and turning away over the wicket.

Perhaps Laham has shown some infancy in captaincy, but the reality is he has only just started with a handful of tests and in India not being a bowler it would be hard for him to demand particular lines from Rachin and Somerville.

I think hes done well putting the seamers around the wicket bouncing chest high at Gill. Given he avgs something like 54 vs spin and only 24 vs seam. The bounce hes a bit suspect with a couple off the handle etc, where Kholi seems more consistant.

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#2824759 5-Dec-2021 19:44

TeaLeaf:

Its not personal, so why are you taking it too heart so much?

You'e doing it again. Im not taking anything to heart , although its a tad tiring to listen to an armchair expert who has inherent and admitted bias, trying to educate NZ Cricket and give player instruction.

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#2824760 5-Dec-2021 19:46

TeaLeaf:

This, its emotive and suggesting a belittling of somebodies opinion, leave it out. This is the gas lighting. You are making opinions personal by your language.

No, Im not emotive at all. You need to Google "opinion meaning" and post accordingly.

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#2824761 5-Dec-2021 19:49

Yep agree with Doull and the others about Rachin bowling LONG periods of left arm orthodox spin. There was so much hope put on Rachin as the all rounder spinner NZ have been wanting. Put some overs into him, invest the time when its not going to make a huge difference to the outcome. Hes already showing why commentary were correct criticising Latham not bowling him enough. It takes time in the middle as such.

Poor Somerville, this must just be so down heartning, at age 38 to get taken to in 4 innings in India. I still think if he can try to bowl wider and clip the footmarks (would have to be bowled from out very wide) he might just get some nasty turn back in. his flight is really pleasing to the eye, but Ind just finding it too easy.

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#2824764 5-Dec-2021 20:03

TeaLeaf:

Yep agree with Doull and the others about Rachin bowling LONG periods of left arm orthodox spin. There was so much hope put on Rachin as the all rounder spinner NZ have been wanting. Put some overs into him, invest the time when its not going to make a huge difference to the outcome.

Agree, but note it wont make any difference. I read that his FC stats are an issue......

Everyone has to start from somewhere.

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#2824766 5-Dec-2021 20:07

Uggh reverse sweep has put somers off the line I was mentioning, now hes back to bowling middle and leg. Somerville is bowling to one of the best players of spin in the world in Gill though, so given that, Im not sure what more he can do other than stick with the wider placement regardless of the reverse sweep and hope for one to really find purchase and clean Gill up. Big ask.

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#2824770 5-Dec-2021 20:18

Fantastic last over from Rachin, agree re speed. He looks SOOO much better under 85kph, gets significantly more turn, but at 81 that flight is gorgeous. He has the makings. Needs long spells, along with making some runs.

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#2824771 5-Dec-2021 20:30

Congrat Rachin, needed this, badly. Now roll with it. Has looked dangerous since slowing it down and letting the ball hang a bit. Anything below 83kph he could be very dangerous.

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#2824779 5-Dec-2021 20:59

Good ole Chris Pringle, not a name of thought of in a while. R Hadlee on the top 10 test match figures for NZ 4 times, incredible. A fascinating list with Vettori bagging 12 in Auckland.

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#2824787 5-Dec-2021 21:25

Was wondering where Kholi was going with this, thinking NZ could score more than 550? haha.

RAIN !!!

Ind deserve the Win. But who knows, NZ not finished with just yet........... (long hopes)

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#2824793 5-Dec-2021 21:36

Big total, daunting total?. Commentators must be catering for casual viewers. It is a zero total, never happen, twas over long ago

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#2824796 5-Dec-2021 21:40

Lol Tommy, doing it right, smothering the good length and hammering the sweep (although got out like that first innings), but he missed the last one trying to smack it too hard and oh my that was close to playing on, if he hadnt fallen over the bat woulnt have been in place for him stop it hahaha.

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