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#3354466 16-Mar-2025 23:17

Wow so much chaos with those white lines in the rain...

As a Redbull and McLaren fan it was good to see that:

Lando didn't crack under the pressure
McLaren handled team orders proactively
McLaren didn't bottle the strategy
Max is still a threat

A shame about Lawson's weekend, many mitigating factors: missing FP3 due to PU issue, kept out 1 lap too long on slicks but still not a good look/impression.

It's Redbull and he doesn't have Sergio money behind him so if Tsunoda continues to perform and Liam doesn't he'll be out at mid season.

Also a shame about Sainz, would have been interesting to see where he ended up. Williams best of the rest amazing.

Australia is often a boring race but that delivered some excitement but what the heck was going on with extremely slow clearing of crashed vehicles.

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#3354473 17-Mar-2025 06:56

Jaxson:

Yuki looking like he did deserve the 2nd Red Bull seat at this stage.

Not sure about that, the RB was a good car, Liam had mechanical issues, running old spec, then a wing change, all of which didnt work.

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#3354474 17-Mar-2025 07:04

Was a fun race, but in retrospect that was due to the weather. Otherwise, McLaren ease away, as they did, Max running easily clear of George, Ferrari nowhere, Kimi thereabouts. I could see a dry Melbourne being that processional, but its an outlier track

Yuki and Liam wise, lets imagine they swapped cars yesterday, and Yuki had all those issues/changes, while Liam was in a quick and stable car. The result for each of them was car related. You'd need to compare like with like. First rushed stint last year, Liam was equal or better. Second stint, Yuki under pressure so he pushed hard, and was a tad better. Yuki with 87 races under his belt, should have taken care of business against a rookie with no F1 experience and lacking experience on many tracks. But he didnt. Switch those, Liam with 87 races and Yuki as a newbie. Thats how I see it in assessing like for like.

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#3354479 17-Mar-2025 07:36

Watching Ted's Notebook, while Liam had an older spec car, they took a gamble and added a lot more rear wing, to give a more downforce and stability, but they added too much so it became inherently slow. Plus starting from the pit lane. Oh well, could have helped, but it didnt.

They need to sort these safety cars, again takes an age to get the back markers out of the way.

China in 4 days, can't wait, it will be like yesterday, unsure how it will pan out, given a much different track. Plus some learnings.

Lando v Piastri, that will be a season long thing!

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#3354481 17-Mar-2025 07:37

Oh yeah, shout out to Anthony Hamilton, Hadjar was in tears and was heavily consoled by Lewis's dad, that was pretty awesome.

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#3354485 17-Mar-2025 08:14

tdgeek:

Oh yeah, shout out to Anthony Hamilton, Hadjar was in tears and was heavily consoled by Lewis's dad, that was pretty awesome.

I saw that, very cool!

Race was good, glad we got a close finish. Gutted for Oscar and team orders. IMO he had the pace to win that race and Lando will know it.

Also agree on too long to get cars off the track, just let em race. Chinese GP 8pm this sunday... How good!

On the F1TV premium, it was fine for the race, 4K is lovely improvment over Sky's 1080. I've cancelled my 7 day trial now, I already have Sky so will watch on that for the rest of the season.

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#3354488 17-Mar-2025 08:32

JPNZ:

On the F1TV premium, it was fine for the race, 4K is lovely improvment over Sky's 1080. I've cancelled my 7 day trial now, I already have Sky so will watch on that for the rest of the season.

How is the sky experience for watching a race rerun? Is it still broadcast based, or you can watch on demand?

And if picking up a race halfway through on live, can you watch from start?

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#3354490 17-Mar-2025 08:34

tdgeek:

Watching Ted's Notebook, while Liam had an older spec car, they took a gamble and added a lot more rear wing, to give a more downforce and stability, but they added too much so it became inherently slow. Plus starting from the pit lane. Oh well, could have helped, but it didnt.

They need to sort these safety cars, again takes an age to get the back markers out of the way.

They were slow in every series, I don't recall the Australians being this bad before. Basically five racing laps lost in every formula on track as soon as a car needed recovering.

Liam's weekend was pretty eventful, but it become obvious in FP1/FP2 when they showed a hugely different front wing on his car compared to Max that we weren't seeing like for like. The turbo issue compounded this and then the rear wing change/pit lane start was a case of bad to worse. If staying on the dries had worked, it would have been a genius move, but it didn't. When you're that far back you have to roll the dice. Lawson knows that the core issue was that he wasn't fast enough in Friday practice - that will take on a new urgency with the next race.

China is four days away. He won't spend weeks stewing on this and living in his own head. RB will have their own discussions about the technical failures and performance issues and Lawson will know he has to be more aggressive (he should go watch Antonelli on some of his laps, where he was taking far more kerb and much tighter lines).

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#3354495 17-Mar-2025 09:11

China a sprint race format, so very little practise for the rookies again before straight into it.

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#3354503 17-Mar-2025 09:43

davidcole:

JPNZ:

On the F1TV premium, it was fine for the race, 4K is lovely improvment over Sky's 1080. I've cancelled my 7 day trial now, I already have Sky so will watch on that for the rest of the season.

How is the sky experience for watching a race rerun? Is it still broadcast based, or you can watch on demand?

And if picking up a race halfway through on live, can you watch from start?

This is all based on my Sky satelitte usage

Well.. If you have a newer sky box you can watch on demand, if you have an older box like me you can record live and watch anytime (Older box on demand was removed a few weeks ago). BUT all sky users can access skygo so you can watch on demand anytime on PC/Tablet/phone etc.

As for the halfway through question, on the box no you can't watch from the start BUT on Skygo you can.

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#3354505 17-Mar-2025 09:52

Jaxson:

China a sprint race format, so very little practise for the rookies again before straight into it.

I feel like that's going to be less of an issue on a permanent circuit, it should evolve broadly in line with what Lawson has already experienced, whereas Albert Park has always thrown up weird results and strange crashes. It will also reinforce the fact he needs to be absolutely on-it from the get-go, which would have been the key takeaway from Aus - you can't expect to ease into it as you're an unexpected tech issue away from failure at any given moment.

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#3354506 17-Mar-2025 10:00

Want to see what car specs Red Bull say he had, and if in China he will be on the same car.

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#3354509 17-Mar-2025 10:07

I think Lawson will get a couple of free passes, he wont get many though.

f1 cars suck in the wet and that Redbull sounds like its hard enough to drive fast in the dry unless your max.

I reckon if he's more than 0.3 secs off max they will swap him for Tsunoda at the summer break.

Louis Sharp also had a shocker, did you watch the f3 Quali? 30 cars all on the track at same time, guess its the same for everyone but you don't necessarily get the fastest qualification you get those that timed it right before an accident red flags the session.

So good to be back in the swing, cant wait for China.

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#3354576 17-Mar-2025 12:22

Jaxson:

Yuki looking like he did deserve the 2nd Red Bull seat at this stage.

Sorry Jaxson, while I agree with you and your daughter about Manfeild being a great circuit to watch the action at, I think I'm with tdgeek on the issue of Yuki. He got lucky with his Q3 lap by receiving a tow from Norris through the first nine turns of Albert Park. Tsunoda is a 91 race veteran yet nineteen times out of twenty he probably doesn't get a tow and ends up P10 on the grid for the race start. Hadjar, in his very first Qualification session, put his car in P11.

Race was great, though made more exciting by the weather. McLaren have made a rod for their own back by insisting the drivers are free to race then back-tracking on that in the very first race. In fairness, I thought that was the best call to make at the time. Piastri might have been able to get by Norris while the rain was coming down but there was also a very real possibility one of the cars loses grip in defending or attacking, they pile into one another and both cars are out of the race. Piastri did not look best pleased after the race though.

I watched Lawson's onboards for the entirety of his race and thought he acquitted himself well considering Red Bull seem hell bent on giving him minimal support. The rear wing change and pitlane start was another punch to the gut for him. He looked very ginger in starting out the race but then settled into a good rhythm, dropping Bearman off the back and then catching and passing Ocon and Bortaleto. The radio call to go to slicks was mainly his decision, there was a weird moment when he slowed right down in front of the pitlane entrance before he received the 'Box Box' call from Wood to come in. I will give Red Bull credit for the race strategy, Lawson said on the radio he had nothing to lose by bolting the slicks on early and it was paying huge dividends until that final rainfall in between the Sector 1 and 3 boundary. I think he was running 7th on the road before the off, if he could have held it for a couple more laps he was sitting pretty for points I thought.

It's great that Lawson doesn't have to stew on this very long but his main problem right now is that China is a Sprint weekend. If we have learnt anything it is that he is underdone in time behind the wheel. Red Bull might say that they are going to give him a chance but he definitely drew the short straw in Bahrain with lack of running there and that was compounded in Melbourne with yet another mechanical failure curtailing his seat time. Having an increasingly different spec car over the weekend did him no favours either. If I was Lawson I'd want to know when exactly he will be given the same equipment as Verstappen has. No amount of looking at Verstappen's data is going to help Liam if he's not comparing apples to apples to begin with.

I see Marko has been the total class act we all know him to be, calling Hadjar's public crying a "bit embarrassing" in the media. What a POS move from him, if it weren't for Verstappen liking him he'd be long gone by now. Anyway, roll on Friday, Lawson has got this he just needs to stop being given Verstappen's cast-offs to be able to do his best work.

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#3354600 17-Mar-2025 14:10

GV27:

Jaxson:

China a sprint race format, so very little practise for the rookies again before straight into it.

I feel like that's going to be less of an issue on a permanent circuit, it should evolve broadly in line with what Lawson has already experienced, whereas Albert Park has always thrown up weird results and strange crashes. It will also reinforce the fact he needs to be absolutely on-it from the get-go, which would have been the key takeaway from Aus - you can't expect to ease into it as you're an unexpected tech issue away from failure at any given moment.

Agree about being on it from the get go.

David Coulthard made the comment, F1 is not a finishing school.
Those practise sessions are limited, could stop at any time etc. You need to rapidly dial in the car, and that's extra difficult if you're new to the circuits as well.

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